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<blockquote data-quote="Jimlock" data-source="post: 5701503" data-attributes="member: 6674931">ok... prepare yourself then... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />As I said, I like the general theme.My problem is (and therefore the high LA) that you bring into the race an almost entire PrC.HIPS and Shadow Jump (and Darkvision) are the two most powerful abilities the Shadowdancer gets.With a race that gives you all normal elf traits, you also get a Shadowdancer (HIPS, SJ, DV) plus another +2 on one of the two useful-for-what-this-race-will-serve abilities, plus Fast Healing, plus a +10 on base speed plus this minor +2 on Hide checks, plus a very useful Favorite Class at the expense of a -2 in STR, which for what these guys will do, is no big deal.I guess my main beef is with the free Shadowdancer... perhaps because I like this PrC so much that I don't want to see it traded off so cheaply. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/rant.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rant:" title="Rant&nbsp; &nbsp; :rant:" data-shortname=":rant:" /> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Perhaps what you need for your theme:is more of a PrC than an actual Race... or perhaps both.I say all the above because I myself have created an Elven House of spies destined to protect elven interests on Faerun, and I based it all on a PrC. <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-legacy-discussion/307456-vote-shadowdancer-variant.html" target="_blank">(If you are interested, heres the link of the PrC, a taste of the fluff on page two of the thread)</a>Just my two cents.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jimlock, post: 5701503, member: 6674931"] ok... prepare yourself then... :D As I said, I like the general theme. My problem is (and therefore the high LA) that you bring into the race an almost entire PrC. HIPS and Shadow Jump (and Darkvision) are the two most powerful abilities the Shadowdancer gets. With a race that gives you all normal elf traits, you also get a Shadowdancer (HIPS, SJ, DV) plus another +2 on one of the two useful-for-what-this-race-will-serve abilities, plus Fast Healing, plus a +10 on base speed plus this minor +2 on Hide checks, plus a very useful Favorite Class at the expense of a -2 in STR, which for what these guys will do, is no big deal. I guess my main beef is with the free Shadowdancer... perhaps because I like this PrC so much that I don't want to see it traded off so cheaply. :rant: :) Perhaps what you need for your theme: is more of a PrC than an actual Race... or perhaps both. I say all the above because I myself have created an Elven House of spies destined to protect elven interests on Faerun, and I based it all on a PrC. [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-legacy-discussion/307456-vote-shadowdancer-variant.html"](If you are interested, heres the link of the PrC, a taste of the fluff on page two of the thread)[/URL] Just my two cents. [/QUOTE]

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