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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 7929195" data-attributes="member: 6750235">The important thing is the party and I are happy with my fiddling.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />[ATTACH=full]118861[/ATTACH]If my fiddle can <a href="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Btywn5TiBNQ" target="_blank">save a giant living stuffy</a> I've done my job. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" />Maybe I'll even <a href="https://www.youtube.com/embed/chvjkV0jRh8" target="_blank">control the weather and create plant growth</a> along the way.  Of course my bards look more DnDish and they understand the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_music" target="_blank">role of music</a> in battle and <a href="http://www.psywarrior.com/MusicUsePSYOP.html" target="_blank">other applications</a> since the <a href="https://www.historynet.com/the-music-of-war.htm" target="_blank">dawn of history</a>.[ATTACH=full]118863[/ATTACH]The portrayal of bards (and similar tropes) modern media isn't a silly concept.  It's based on established history and mythology that go back a long way.  The issue is solely personal perception.  It's a perception generally based on lack of knowledge or understanding by people playing a game in direct contradiction of history's rulers and military leaders who definitely did want someone to come into battle with inspirational music.  If it's good enough for Sparta, it's good enough for me.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />What I find interesting about your healbot comment is the issue players had with clerics is that all they did was heal and you are including clerics in "every other class".  Bards might not have any healing at all beyond a short rest bonus and always have skills and inspiration even if built as healbots to create variety in the class.As for those fighter saves, the game is Dungeons and Dragons.  A STR fighter with no proficiency does not save well against DC 22 dragon breath.  That's a high DC but eventually that's what legendary heroes find at some point.He actually still fails DC 13 saves often enough they are relevant regardless of level.  That's how saves in 5e work.  That bonus might not matter all the time, but when it does matter it can make a huge difference.</blockquote>

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