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<blockquote data-quote="Steampunkette" data-source="post: 9608968" data-attributes="member: 6796468"><p>Someone could certainly make multiple pages worth of tables, sure. And not the actual important bit... 'kay.</p><p></p><p>There is a LANGUAGE part of the D&D core rulebooks. Whether they were to use a NEW system or an OLD system there would still be a LANGUAGE part of the book. The "Opportunity Cost", therefore, is not "We could have something new if they didn't waste time writing about languages" so much as "How much more words about language would be written?" instead. Which means, yes, it's -just- a matter of how many words they're willing to pay someone to write. 800, 2,000, whatever the count is.</p><p></p><p>This is not adding a whole new chapter on Boll Weevils or the agricultural use of undead on the Thaymount. Languages is already part of the book.</p><p></p><p>The part where languages are handled exists pretty much exclusively between 4 and 5. Grabbing writers and assigning writing. Which is pretty much the only part the designers and writers take part in, unless something gets bounced back to them for not being up to standard.</p><p></p><p>That is, pretty much exclusively, the part where the writers do anything.</p><p></p><p>Everyone's already going to buy the PHB and DMG so it doesn't really matter how much of the userbase uses that particular rule, much like Encumbrance which is ignored almost universally and is still in the book.</p><p></p><p>This is not a big "Business Decision" where the couple hundred bucks to pay a writer to write a small section of the book is going to wind up costing WotC Millions down the road. Or where people will refuse to buy the book because they don't like changing up how Language works away from Race Languages.</p><p></p><p>Well. There -will- be people like that. But, really, there's people like that about literally ANYTHING you write in the books, so it's a "Can't please 'em all" write off.</p><p></p><p>I don't see that in any of the posts we've been doing but... what about it? Comprehend Languages and Tongues breaks language no matter what, so why worry that it would do it to a different language system than "Common + Races"?</p><p></p><p>"Detailed" language system... I don't think you've seen my actual intention.</p><p></p><p>And because it doesn't matter if I publish the most perfect and widely used language system in the 3rd Party space, if it's not in the PHB most players won't be aware of it, and will continue to use the terrible "Race Language" structure.</p><p></p><p>Also... I've written official material for Level Up/A5e, 3rd Party material for Purple Martin Games and Josh Gentry, published my own book which is the biggest single book in the A5e 3rd party space, had articles in the Gate Pass Gazette and EN5ider.</p><p></p><p>A Million copies, though? That's Paizo and WotC territory. Not a small 3rd party publisher.</p><p></p><p>Why do you believe that a language structure that isn't "Common + Races" is "Detailed"?</p><p></p><p>Why do you believe that having any language structure that isn't "Common + Races" is exclusive of additional character options?</p><p></p><p>I disagree. Both that it's a "Bad Business Decision" since anything in the PHB is going to sell regardless of whether it costs them $150 or $280...</p><p></p><p>And it's a terrible opportunity for Homebrew because while you can do interesting stuff in your own settings (And I do use a simple language system in my settings that is different from Common+Races) it won't touch the cultural weight or momentum of whatever the PHB says.</p><p></p><p>I think you overvalue the impact of the 3rd party and Homebrew space and dramatically overvalue the ink in a book that is guaranteed to sell like hotcakes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steampunkette, post: 9608968, member: 6796468"] Someone could certainly make multiple pages worth of tables, sure. And not the actual important bit... 'kay. There is a LANGUAGE part of the D&D core rulebooks. Whether they were to use a NEW system or an OLD system there would still be a LANGUAGE part of the book. The "Opportunity Cost", therefore, is not "We could have something new if they didn't waste time writing about languages" so much as "How much more words about language would be written?" instead. Which means, yes, it's -just- a matter of how many words they're willing to pay someone to write. 800, 2,000, whatever the count is. This is not adding a whole new chapter on Boll Weevils or the agricultural use of undead on the Thaymount. Languages is already part of the book. The part where languages are handled exists pretty much exclusively between 4 and 5. Grabbing writers and assigning writing. Which is pretty much the only part the designers and writers take part in, unless something gets bounced back to them for not being up to standard. That is, pretty much exclusively, the part where the writers do anything. Everyone's already going to buy the PHB and DMG so it doesn't really matter how much of the userbase uses that particular rule, much like Encumbrance which is ignored almost universally and is still in the book. This is not a big "Business Decision" where the couple hundred bucks to pay a writer to write a small section of the book is going to wind up costing WotC Millions down the road. Or where people will refuse to buy the book because they don't like changing up how Language works away from Race Languages. Well. There -will- be people like that. But, really, there's people like that about literally ANYTHING you write in the books, so it's a "Can't please 'em all" write off. I don't see that in any of the posts we've been doing but... what about it? Comprehend Languages and Tongues breaks language no matter what, so why worry that it would do it to a different language system than "Common + Races"? "Detailed" language system... I don't think you've seen my actual intention. And because it doesn't matter if I publish the most perfect and widely used language system in the 3rd Party space, if it's not in the PHB most players won't be aware of it, and will continue to use the terrible "Race Language" structure. Also... I've written official material for Level Up/A5e, 3rd Party material for Purple Martin Games and Josh Gentry, published my own book which is the biggest single book in the A5e 3rd party space, had articles in the Gate Pass Gazette and EN5ider. A Million copies, though? That's Paizo and WotC territory. Not a small 3rd party publisher. Why do you believe that a language structure that isn't "Common + Races" is "Detailed"? Why do you believe that having any language structure that isn't "Common + Races" is exclusive of additional character options? I disagree. Both that it's a "Bad Business Decision" since anything in the PHB is going to sell regardless of whether it costs them $150 or $280... And it's a terrible opportunity for Homebrew because while you can do interesting stuff in your own settings (And I do use a simple language system in my settings that is different from Common+Races) it won't touch the cultural weight or momentum of whatever the PHB says. I think you overvalue the impact of the 3rd party and Homebrew space and dramatically overvalue the ink in a book that is guaranteed to sell like hotcakes. [/QUOTE]
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