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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jian" data-source="post: 9874218" data-attributes="member: 78087"><p>I'd kind of disagree with both, but that's probably not surprising.</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">There are definitely clues that Thor is worried about taking the throne, and is trying on leadership (outside his little gang) for size but knows he doesn't measure up.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Loki definitely isn't aiming to have Thor exiled, but he does see that Thor is bored and floundering and prods him to get himself into trouble so that he won't be bored. Also, Loki is kind of bored. He's mostly a clever advisor but he's no more responsible than Thor in some ways, and he genuinely had no idea how much trouble this would all cause. Honestly, this is pretty close to mythic Loki, who's only the god of mischief because he's more clever than everyone else but is sadly no more foresighted or wise than anyone else.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">But Loki does also blame himself for getting Thor exiled - it wouldn't have happened if he hadn't prodded him, and the look of fear on his face when Odin goes to town on his brother is quite something to behold - and that all feeds into his self-hatred, his turn from "it's all my fault" to "then I'll be the bad guy."</li> </ul></blockquote><p></p>