Large Crocodile

nittanytbone

First Post
Hello,

I'm looking for stats on a crocodile, size large.

Unfortunately there seems to be little to fill the gap between the standard CR2 medium sized critter and the CR4 huge sized critter.

I'd ideally like something that could be enticed with Wild Cohort or by a druid for purposes as a Lizardman mount. A third level lizardman druid with Natural Bond could have a huge croc... But I'd prefer to avoid throwing that at my players.

Any suggestions for where to look or guidelines for how to bump a medium croc up to large size?

Thanks!
 

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Why not just use the MM rules (pg.291) for advancing a creature and increase the medium crocodile to 5 HD and make it large?
 



nittanytbone said:
A third level lizardman druid with Natural Bond could have a huge croc... But I'd prefer to avoid throwing that at my players.
Are you going to allow nature bond if a player wants it? If so, why wouldn't a Lizard man druid take the feat if he could? If the feat seems to strong, maybe it should be disallowed entirely, driuds are strong enough already.
 



frankthedm said:
Are you going to allow nature bond if a player wants it? If so, why wouldn't a Lizard man druid take the feat if he could? If the feat seems to strong, maybe it should be disallowed entirely, driuds are strong enough already.

I would prefer to avoid that sort of situation as there will be nearly a dozen lizardman groups in the area. I plan on stocking each with a low-level croc rider. That's why I'd like to be able to make it work, mechanically, with a level 1 druid (preferably a level 2 warrior!). I think it would strain incredulity that there are a dozen mid-to-high level druids and huge crocs all hanging out in close proximity in this given scenario. A dozen level 2 warriors with slightly-above-average crocs, however, is more plausible.

I'm fine with Natural Bond, and I'm fine with Nat Bond working with Wild Cohort as Wild Cohort is less potent than a druid companion.

Here's my current thought:

Lizardman 2/Warrior 2
Feats: Wild Cohort, Natural Bond
Effective Wild Cohort Level: 7

That creates a CR 4 huge croc companion with 7 HD, or a CR 3ish medium croc companion with 4 HD, +1 trick, +1 natural armor, and evasion.

If you work from the huge croc "down," shrinking it to large, it would gain -1 CR, -8 STR, +2 DEX, -4 CON, -3 Nat Armor, +1 AC/attack, and damage dice size. You could then add 3 HD or a +1 LA template to keep the CR around 4. I prefer the LA option as an 10 HD crocodile is pretty absurd for a 4 HD lizardman to be riding around! Perhaps something like Fiendish or War Beast... So you end up with a CR 4ish critter with 7 HD and a +1 LA template.

If you work from the medium croc "up," increasing it to large, it gains +1 CR, +8 STR, -2 DEX, +4 CON, +3 Nat Armor, -1 AC/attack, and damage dice size. So you end up with a CR 4ish critter with 4 HD and awesome ability scores compared to method A.

After some thought, I think the huge-->large in exchange for a +1 LA template makes most sense.

So you'd end up with:



LARGE CROCODILE
LARGE ANIMAL
8 HD (7 HD + 1 War Beast)
Speed 30 ft (20 ft + 10 War Beast), 30 ft swim
Abilities: Str 22 (27 - 8 + 3), Dex 14 (12+2), Con 18 (19-4+3), Int 1, Wis 14 (+2), Cha 2 -- +1 from a stat boost at 8 HD -- STR, most likely
AC 15 (4 natural + 2 DEX - 1 SIZE)
Full Attack: Bite +12 (1d10+6) or Tail Slap +12 (1d10+6)
Saves: Fort +8 (4 base + 4 con), Ref +6 (4 base + 2 Dex), Will +4 (2 Base + 2 Wis)

That seems about as tough as a giant (huge) croc, given that it loses its 10' reach, loses a big modifier to its Improved Grab grapple checks, and loses a good deal of damage output (smaller damage dice, less STR). Actually, its probably less tough given the giant croc's chosen method of fighting. But it seems like a quite suitable mount for a medium sized lizard folk.
 


Hypersmurf said:
No, he couldn't - Natural Bond caps at your hit dice.

-Hyp.

Can you not use it to offset the penalty to your effective level for having a bigger critter?

Or is it like Practiced Spellcaster, intended for multiclass characters?
 

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