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<blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 8026012" data-attributes="member: 6788736"><p>No, I just refute any argument that Joel 'redeemed' himself. In order to be redeemed he would need to have turned his back on murder and torture. He does nothing of the sort. He is shown early in the game to be OK with brutal torture, this continues unabated through the rest of the game when he again brutally tortures and murders several people:</p><p></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]PEpI0uXpLPw[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p>...before finally murdering a bunch more people, in a mass shooting. Including unarmed medical staff. Then to top it off he murders Marleene so there would be no survivors or witnesses to what he did.</p><p></p><p>There was no <em>redemption </em>here for Joel. Joel is evil at the start of the game (in his 40's) and remains evil the whole way through the game. </p><p></p><p>He just has a terrible choice to make at its conclusion (a choice which I myself pass no judgement on).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Flamestrike, post: 8026012, member: 6788736"] No, I just refute any argument that Joel 'redeemed' himself. In order to be redeemed he would need to have turned his back on murder and torture. He does nothing of the sort. He is shown early in the game to be OK with brutal torture, this continues unabated through the rest of the game when he again brutally tortures and murders several people: [MEDIA=youtube]PEpI0uXpLPw[/MEDIA] ...before finally murdering a bunch more people, in a mass shooting. Including unarmed medical staff. Then to top it off he murders Marleene so there would be no survivors or witnesses to what he did. There was no [I]redemption [/I]here for Joel. Joel is evil at the start of the game (in his 40's) and remains evil the whole way through the game. He just has a terrible choice to make at its conclusion (a choice which I myself pass no judgement on). [/QUOTE]
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