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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 8026014" data-attributes="member: 6696971"><p>Yes, this is clearly what they intended with the empathy moves made with Abby in this game.</p><p></p><p>There is obviously no questioning that.</p><p></p><p>But there is absolutely nothing new or compelling about that question. One of the primary reasons why TLoU was so provocative was precisely <strong>because </strong>the first game demanded you to ponder and answer that question (without the game condemning him...therefore leaving it up to the viewer to have him emotionally swing from the gallows or not). An answer that someone could trivially come up with is that Joel is neither hero nor villain. Or he's both. But that question is left up to the person who experienced the first game.</p><p></p><p>The second game emphatically declares "Joel is a villain who made the wrong decision...and violence begets violence...and any thing of merit that came out of the first game will be destroyed because of it." In-so-doing, it answers the question of the first game. Joel didn't save a redeemed and inspiring creature from a fate that may or may not lead to a cure of a humankind that may or may not be redeemable. The fate that awaits her in TLoU2 is far, far worse than death.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 8026014, member: 6696971"] Yes, this is clearly what they intended with the empathy moves made with Abby in this game. There is obviously no questioning that. But there is absolutely nothing new or compelling about that question. One of the primary reasons why TLoU was so provocative was precisely [B]because [/B]the first game demanded you to ponder and answer that question (without the game condemning him...therefore leaving it up to the viewer to have him emotionally swing from the gallows or not). An answer that someone could trivially come up with is that Joel is neither hero nor villain. Or he's both. But that question is left up to the person who experienced the first game. The second game emphatically declares "Joel is a villain who made the wrong decision...and violence begets violence...and any thing of merit that came out of the first game will be destroyed because of it." In-so-doing, it answers the question of the first game. Joel didn't save a redeemed and inspiring creature from a fate that may or may not lead to a cure of a humankind that may or may not be redeemable. The fate that awaits her in TLoU2 is far, far worse than death. [/QUOTE]
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