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<blockquote data-quote="Imaculata" data-source="post: 8032002" data-attributes="member: 6801286"><p>I hated Abby, because the scene in which she kills Joel, deliberately portrays her as a villain. Also, her friends were eager to kill Ellie, making her a villain by association. There were countless moments in the plot, where characters could have told each other why they did what they did, which could have avoided a lot of the death and misery, but they never do. Even when characters are about to die, they refuse to tell their motives, and that is lazy writing.</p><p></p><p>After the game has shown the player that both Abby and her friends are villains, the game goes to great lengths to try and make them look sympathetic, but never quite succeeds. Despite having to play as Abby for a large portion of the game, they never quite succeed in making Abby likeable.</p><p></p><p>Another thing that bothers me by the way, is the amount of plot armor written into the story. There are countless moments in the game where a villain could kill Ellie or Dina, but doesn't. One of the villains even conveniently leaves a knife near Ellie, so she can escape. This sort of stuff is found all over the game.</p><p></p><p>And yes, Joel was always a bad person... but he was also likeable. I'm not saying his death is undeserved, it was a long time coming. But it is bad writing to have a mere coincidence be the reason for his death. And it feels kind of abusive towards the player. The way they just kill off a beloved character in the most brutal way possible, (conveniently in full view of Ellie), feels manipulative and contrived, and merely in service to mangle her character and make her the baddie. It is as if a completely different writer, who hates Ellie as a character, decided to completely rewrite her in service of making a new other character (Abby) seem cool. And notice how Abby also gets all the cool items, weapons and upgrades? It feels as if the writers want the player to hate a beloved character, by completely rewriting her in a contrived way, in order to introduce someone new. It is unsurprising that this has caused a bit of an uproar among fans of the game. I don't consider myself a fan of the series, but I too dislike how this was written. I can clearly see the decline in writing quality between part 1 and part 2.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is not entirely true. There are several deaths in the game that are unrelated to Abby's revenge quest, but are the direct result of Lev's actions, such as him deciding to go off on his own, despite being warned not to do so.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Imaculata, post: 8032002, member: 6801286"] I hated Abby, because the scene in which she kills Joel, deliberately portrays her as a villain. Also, her friends were eager to kill Ellie, making her a villain by association. There were countless moments in the plot, where characters could have told each other why they did what they did, which could have avoided a lot of the death and misery, but they never do. Even when characters are about to die, they refuse to tell their motives, and that is lazy writing. After the game has shown the player that both Abby and her friends are villains, the game goes to great lengths to try and make them look sympathetic, but never quite succeeds. Despite having to play as Abby for a large portion of the game, they never quite succeed in making Abby likeable. Another thing that bothers me by the way, is the amount of plot armor written into the story. There are countless moments in the game where a villain could kill Ellie or Dina, but doesn't. One of the villains even conveniently leaves a knife near Ellie, so she can escape. This sort of stuff is found all over the game. And yes, Joel was always a bad person... but he was also likeable. I'm not saying his death is undeserved, it was a long time coming. But it is bad writing to have a mere coincidence be the reason for his death. And it feels kind of abusive towards the player. The way they just kill off a beloved character in the most brutal way possible, (conveniently in full view of Ellie), feels manipulative and contrived, and merely in service to mangle her character and make her the baddie. It is as if a completely different writer, who hates Ellie as a character, decided to completely rewrite her in service of making a new other character (Abby) seem cool. And notice how Abby also gets all the cool items, weapons and upgrades? It feels as if the writers want the player to hate a beloved character, by completely rewriting her in a contrived way, in order to introduce someone new. It is unsurprising that this has caused a bit of an uproar among fans of the game. I don't consider myself a fan of the series, but I too dislike how this was written. I can clearly see the decline in writing quality between part 1 and part 2. This is not entirely true. There are several deaths in the game that are unrelated to Abby's revenge quest, but are the direct result of Lev's actions, such as him deciding to go off on his own, despite being warned not to do so. [/QUOTE]
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