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<blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 8032038" data-attributes="member: 6788736"><p>No, <em>there is no villain.</em></p><p></p><p>Or more correctly, everyone is the villain and everyone is the hero. And no-one is.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, that's that what the game is trying to do at all. The game is not trying to set up a 'villain redemption' arc with Abby <em>as she was never the villain at all.</em></p><p></p><p>In fact she was pretty consistently a morally good person, altruistic, kind, self sacrificing, charitable and loving (with the notable exception of murdering Joel).</p><p></p><p>You're looking at this from a simplistic position; the kind of unthinking tacit approval of an audience cheering on the action hero as he brutally murders hundreds of faceless mooks 'because they killed a member of his family' and seeing the action hero as the <em>hero</em>, and the mooks as the <em>villains</em>.</p><p></p><p>You justify the hero's mass murder, while condemning the murder undertaken by the villain.</p><p></p><p>If Abby is the villain, what the heck does that make Joel?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, Im seeing such strong reactions to the games plot because people thought they were getting a 'murder hordes of mooks and a series of mini-bosses before killing the BBEG at the end' storyline, like you see in literally every action movie ever.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Abbys dad was <em><u>very </u></em>confident it would result in a cure, and he's a specialist and a doctor and all that, and in a the best position to know those kinds of things. He's basically portrayed as Lawful Good - he doesn't seem like the sort of man that would take the decision to murder a defenceless child on the operating table, and violate the Hippocratic oath, lightly.</p><p></p><p>That's the moral gravitas of the end scene of part 1; Joel is effectively dooming humanity (and committing mass murder) to save Ellie.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Flamestrike, post: 8032038, member: 6788736"] No, [I]there is no villain.[/I] Or more correctly, everyone is the villain and everyone is the hero. And no-one is. No, that's that what the game is trying to do at all. The game is not trying to set up a 'villain redemption' arc with Abby [I]as she was never the villain at all.[/I] In fact she was pretty consistently a morally good person, altruistic, kind, self sacrificing, charitable and loving (with the notable exception of murdering Joel). You're looking at this from a simplistic position; the kind of unthinking tacit approval of an audience cheering on the action hero as he brutally murders hundreds of faceless mooks 'because they killed a member of his family' and seeing the action hero as the [I]hero[/I], and the mooks as the [I]villains[/I]. You justify the hero's mass murder, while condemning the murder undertaken by the villain. If Abby is the villain, what the heck does that make Joel? No, Im seeing such strong reactions to the games plot because people thought they were getting a 'murder hordes of mooks and a series of mini-bosses before killing the BBEG at the end' storyline, like you see in literally every action movie ever. Abbys dad was [I][U]very [/U][/I]confident it would result in a cure, and he's a specialist and a doctor and all that, and in a the best position to know those kinds of things. He's basically portrayed as Lawful Good - he doesn't seem like the sort of man that would take the decision to murder a defenceless child on the operating table, and violate the Hippocratic oath, lightly. That's the moral gravitas of the end scene of part 1; Joel is effectively dooming humanity (and committing mass murder) to save Ellie. [/QUOTE]
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