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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaculata" data-source="post: 8032049" data-attributes="member: 6801286">Ultimately yes, but I'm speaking from scene to scene. At the start of the game, the game VERY MUCH sets up a revenge arc for Ellie, with Abby as the villain. I'm kind of stunned why you are disagreeing on that fact. Thats literally what they do.Abby is not a villain for the entirety of the game, but she is for the start of the game. The positive attributes of Abby that you refer to, are not revealed to the player until much later in the game. Until they are revealed, Abby absolutely is the villain. And the way Joel's death is edited is all done in service of making Abby look worse than she ultimately ends up being. But it is a rather cheap bit of manipulation that a lot of players caught onto. Its very transparent, and that may have pissed a lot of players off.In regards to Joel, he is a sacrifice by the writers to shock the players and rewrite Ellie's character in service of a plot that reads like it was written by an edgy blogger from tumblr. That again is a large reason why the game receives a lot of backlash. Its not that the entire game is bad, and in fact, I'd argue apart from the weak gameplay the game is pretty solid overall. But people are used to better writing from Naughty Dog.This sounds more like you are frustrated that not everyone has the same emotional response to the game as you, rather than you honestly trying to hear and understand their criticism. Do you not recognize at least some of the criticism to the story?That being:-The disconnect between gameplay and story-The overreliance on shock violence-The constant unnecessary swearing-The rewriting of established characters-Unlikeable characters-The reliance on plot convenience-Characters refusing to share motives with each other-The plot armor of certain characters-The absence of any levity and fun in the plot-The lackluster unfulfilling ending-The pacing issues-The unnecessary last act-and the fact that the story is predictable?You'll notice that when you watch any of the negative reviews of this game, they all mention the things I just listed. This game relies heavily on its story, and its story unfortunately is a bit lacking. Plus, there are a lot of bugs.But it is never 100% guaranteed that Ellie could save all humanity. There was always some doubt. I'm not saying Joel is justified in his act, but there was nuance in regards to the chances of making a cure.[MEDIA=youtube]_-sTlYUeT8o[/MEDIA]Angry Joe gave the game a pretty fair review I think. Willing to praise what is good about the game, but also giving a fair critique of the story.</blockquote>

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