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<blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 8032134" data-attributes="member: 6788736"><p>And the game then spends the next 25 hours of gameplay deconstructing that arc and showing you that's not what the game is about at all.</p><p></p><p>The thing is, even now, you're referring to Abby as 'the villain.' You continued to see the game as a revenge plot as you played the rest of the game.</p><p></p><p>I have a feeling you were let down by the ending, when[SPOILER] Ellie lets Abby go.[/SPOILER]</p><p></p><p>If that's the case, you not only missed the whole point of the game, but you're also the reason the game was written in the first place.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, but those positive attributes of Abby <u>always </u>existed. Which is the point the game was making.</p><p></p><p>In our rush to frame ourselves (as Ellie) as the 'hero' and the protagonist, and Abby as the 'villain' and the antagonist worthy of nothing but death, we dehumanised Abby.</p><p></p><p>Which of course, is false. In the game world, she's a living, breathing, thinking and feeling person, just like Ellie or anyone else.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You think it was out of character for Ellie to come hunting after the people that killed Joel? Or out of character for her to 'break bad' and get all murder-ey?</p><p></p><p>Remember, this is a girl whose father figures are Joel and Tommy, hardened mass murderers, torturers, Hunters and worse. Both are depicted (and explained by Ellie) as teaching her how to torture people for information, to never trust anyone and kill people, and so forth.</p><p></p><p>She was effectively raised by two NE men. I dont see her as being prepared to <em>do as they do </em>to be an assassination of her character at all.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Flamestrike, post: 8032134, member: 6788736"] And the game then spends the next 25 hours of gameplay deconstructing that arc and showing you that's not what the game is about at all. The thing is, even now, you're referring to Abby as 'the villain.' You continued to see the game as a revenge plot as you played the rest of the game. I have a feeling you were let down by the ending, when[SPOILER] Ellie lets Abby go.[/SPOILER] If that's the case, you not only missed the whole point of the game, but you're also the reason the game was written in the first place. Yes, but those positive attributes of Abby [U]always [/U]existed. Which is the point the game was making. In our rush to frame ourselves (as Ellie) as the 'hero' and the protagonist, and Abby as the 'villain' and the antagonist worthy of nothing but death, we dehumanised Abby. Which of course, is false. In the game world, she's a living, breathing, thinking and feeling person, just like Ellie or anyone else. You think it was out of character for Ellie to come hunting after the people that killed Joel? Or out of character for her to 'break bad' and get all murder-ey? Remember, this is a girl whose father figures are Joel and Tommy, hardened mass murderers, torturers, Hunters and worse. Both are depicted (and explained by Ellie) as teaching her how to torture people for information, to never trust anyone and kill people, and so forth. She was effectively raised by two NE men. I dont see her as being prepared to [I]do as they do [/I]to be an assassination of her character at all. [/QUOTE]
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