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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7700600" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>I think it's fair to say that most players play the kind of character they want, that optimization, huge as it was in the 3.x era, is the province of a smaller sub-set.</p><p></p><p>The 'more complex' option isn't much more complex, and doesn't buy much versatility/interest with what complexity it does add, but aside from that, sure. It's too bad there aren't any comparably simple full-caster options, nor any non-caster options that rise to the level of versatility/interest (paying the price in complexity) that casters do. It means that if your preference is driven or limited by such system consideration, you're funneled into one set of concepts or the other. Want simple, you must play a mundane character. Want something significantly more interesting, you must choose from among the concepts that use magic.</p><p></p><p>Six of 'em, actually, they were a ranking of class versatility often taken as a measure of class power, devised for 3.5 and most relevant in that edition, (though they could certainly be applied to 5e, there'd be no 'Tier 6' at all, and Tier 5 might be sparse-to-empty). Fighter was Tier 5 (Tier 4 with a late-edition variation in use), the traditional Vancian casters - Wizard, Cleric, & Druid - were Tier 1. </p><p></p><p>The point being that fighters were popular to play, even when the conventional wisdom was that they were quite inferior.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7700600, member: 996"] I think it's fair to say that most players play the kind of character they want, that optimization, huge as it was in the 3.x era, is the province of a smaller sub-set. The 'more complex' option isn't much more complex, and doesn't buy much versatility/interest with what complexity it does add, but aside from that, sure. It's too bad there aren't any comparably simple full-caster options, nor any non-caster options that rise to the level of versatility/interest (paying the price in complexity) that casters do. It means that if your preference is driven or limited by such system consideration, you're funneled into one set of concepts or the other. Want simple, you must play a mundane character. Want something significantly more interesting, you must choose from among the concepts that use magic. Six of 'em, actually, they were a ranking of class versatility often taken as a measure of class power, devised for 3.5 and most relevant in that edition, (though they could certainly be applied to 5e, there'd be no 'Tier 6' at all, and Tier 5 might be sparse-to-empty). Fighter was Tier 5 (Tier 4 with a late-edition variation in use), the traditional Vancian casters - Wizard, Cleric, & Druid - were Tier 1. The point being that fighters were popular to play, even when the conventional wisdom was that they were quite inferior. [/QUOTE]
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