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<blockquote data-quote="shadow" data-source="post: 3968808" data-attributes="member: 2182"><p>Lawful doesn't mean that you obey the laws? The 3e PHB seems to say otherwise.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now I suppose that you could argue that authority doesn't necessarily mean government authority or government laws, but that brings up the question of what authority a lawful character respects (especially when two authorities are in conflict). Besides, the PHB definition of law also includes telling the truth and keeping one's word. This leads to even more crazy alignment debates. (For example what would a lawful character do when asked to tell lies or break his word by a respected authority?)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, I've heard of maddening situations like this too. This tends to happen in situations where law and chaos are made all important. In games where good and evil take a back seat to law and chaos, it becomes hard to imagine elves and dwarves teaming up against a greater evil as in The Fellowship of the Ring. Instead you have paladins teaming up with devils to fight against the elves.</p><p></p><p>I really don't mind "good" and "evil" as alignment descriptors too much because they resonate with most people. People understand what you are talking about when you say good and evil. Real world religions teach that certain acts are good or evil. However, most people have no idea what law and chaos really mean. (And it seems that most D&D players don't really understand them either given the endless number of alignment debates on the forums.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="shadow, post: 3968808, member: 2182"] Lawful doesn't mean that you obey the laws? The 3e PHB seems to say otherwise. Now I suppose that you could argue that authority doesn't necessarily mean government authority or government laws, but that brings up the question of what authority a lawful character respects (especially when two authorities are in conflict). Besides, the PHB definition of law also includes telling the truth and keeping one's word. This leads to even more crazy alignment debates. (For example what would a lawful character do when asked to tell lies or break his word by a respected authority?) Yes, I've heard of maddening situations like this too. This tends to happen in situations where law and chaos are made all important. In games where good and evil take a back seat to law and chaos, it becomes hard to imagine elves and dwarves teaming up against a greater evil as in The Fellowship of the Ring. Instead you have paladins teaming up with devils to fight against the elves. I really don't mind "good" and "evil" as alignment descriptors too much because they resonate with most people. People understand what you are talking about when you say good and evil. Real world religions teach that certain acts are good or evil. However, most people have no idea what law and chaos really mean. (And it seems that most D&D players don't really understand them either given the endless number of alignment debates on the forums.) [/QUOTE]
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