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<blockquote data-quote="bonethug0108" data-source="post: 3971585" data-attributes="member: 58528">This is exactly how I feel. I've never used it to hit players with the whammy stick, but I've had a dm do it to me and other players. It isn't me as dm or you as dm or many other responsible people here. It is the d&amp;d community as a whole that is suffering from it. Look at how many arguments you hear about from people's home games on the wotc boards(and likely here, though I'm new here so I wouldn't know).Then look at all the arguments people get into on those(and likely these) boards and you can see the million and one ways that problems can arise because of the million and one different view points. No two people have the exact same view on all the alignments.And sure, many long time players do adapt well enough so that it doesn't cause problems, but what about new people just starting out. If a new dm sees that the rules say if a character acts out of alignment he should lose his powers, what do you think the new dm will do? Does he have the foresight to do all the things experienced players do? Some may, but I would bet that most don't.So now you have likely lost a bunch of potential d&amp;d players because arguing isn't fun. The hobby suffers, sales slack off, and no more new d&amp;d products. Then you run the risk of d&amp;d being sold to a worse company(although it could turn out opposite).Also, don't forget about all the *** hole dms that force you to play their way. Sure you can say, &quot;Just find a new group.&quot; It is not that easy for ALOT of people. We have no hobby shops for 20 miles where I live, and b&amp;n is the only local store that sells d&amp;d. And I am their main d&amp;d customer. I've seen 2 people besides me ever buy or even look at the d&amp;d books, and they aren't exactly flying off the shelves. I don't think my situation is all that uncommon.So for the sake of this hobby's furture alignment and other troublesome elements of the game need to change or go away. I hope they keep alignment meaningful, but I hope it is a far cry away from 3e's system.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bonethug0108, post: 3971585, member: 58528"] This is exactly how I feel. I've never used it to hit players with the whammy stick, but I've had a dm do it to me and other players. It isn't me as dm or you as dm or many other responsible people here. It is the d&d community as a whole that is suffering from it. Look at how many arguments you hear about from people's home games on the wotc boards(and likely here, though I'm new here so I wouldn't know). Then look at all the arguments people get into on those(and likely these) boards and you can see the million and one ways that problems can arise because of the million and one different view points. No two people have the exact same view on all the alignments. And sure, many long time players do adapt well enough so that it doesn't cause problems, but what about new people just starting out. If a new dm sees that the rules say if a character acts out of alignment he should lose his powers, what do you think the new dm will do? Does he have the foresight to do all the things experienced players do? Some may, but I would bet that most don't. So now you have likely lost a bunch of potential d&d players because arguing isn't fun. The hobby suffers, sales slack off, and no more new d&d products. Then you run the risk of d&d being sold to a worse company(although it could turn out opposite). Also, don't forget about all the *** hole dms that force you to play their way. Sure you can say, "Just find a new group." It is not that easy for ALOT of people. We have no hobby shops for 20 miles where I live, and b&n is the only local store that sells d&d. And I am their main d&d customer. I've seen 2 people besides me ever buy or even look at the d&d books, and they aren't exactly flying off the shelves. I don't think my situation is all that uncommon. So for the sake of this hobby's furture alignment and other troublesome elements of the game need to change or go away. I hope they keep alignment meaningful, but I hope it is a far cry away from 3e's system. [/QUOTE]

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