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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Felix" data-source="post: 3690073" data-attributes="member: 3929">Organization doesn't define Law or Chaos, so I dislike your civilization v barbarism idea. Similarly, Chaos doesn't necessitate irrational.What is the Morality of Law? The Whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Individuals are not worth fighting for, but the society they make up is. Peace is virtuous not because it allows individuals to lead unaccosted lives, but because it allows the society to grow and develop unaccosted. The individual should sacrifice himself to protect the group.What is the Morality of Chaos? The Individual is equal to the Whole. Society should not be protected for itself, but rather those individuals who are at risk should protect themselves, and others should help out of enlightened self-interest. Peace is virtuous because it allows the individual to be creative without interruption. The whole should not be a consideration when deciding to protect an individual.With these mores, Barbarous lawful societies are possible; Rational Chaotic cities possible; and of course the traditional chaotic orc hordes and lawful empire armies.Which is more interesting? Chaos pigeonholed as barbarous and irrational? Or allowing the possibility that Chaos has virtues of its own that a civilized, rational individual might choose after much forethought?</blockquote>