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<blockquote data-quote="HeapThaumaturgist" data-source="post: 2695590" data-attributes="member: 12332">Yea.&nbsp; I start off with PHB ONLY for players, and add data little by little from there.&nbsp; I'm all the way up to allowing 3/4 of the feats in Complete Warrior and maybe 1/5 of the feats from C.Divine and C.Arcane.&nbsp; I've allowed in ONE prestige class in the last, what, 3-4 years?&nbsp; Which, oddly enough, was the Mighty Contender of Kord from Dragon Magazine ... which was in no way overpowered and which was very much a role-playing situation.&nbsp; I really liked that experience with PrCs.Folks dropping into PrCs at 5th level seems a little odd, as it is usually 6th to get in, many are 7 or 8.&nbsp; And any class where you have to sit down with the GM and say:&nbsp; &quot;Okay, here's the XXX many things I can turn into ... when I do this, you have to do this ... and when I do this, you'll have to do this ... &quot;&nbsp; That's pretty easy to chalk up to BROKETACULAR.The GM should know what a PC is capable of, but shouldn't have to familiarize himself with a dozen alternate forms which can only be countered with specific tactics.&nbsp; If the GM spends all of his time catering to one broken PC, I think it's totally within his rights to review a decision and make changes.ESPECIALLY since this is a 4th-Party created class.&nbsp; It's not DMG, it's not WotC, it's not 3rd party publisher, it's fan-created.&nbsp; That puts it way way out in my stink-o-meter zone.Guess you got stuck coming to a board frequented by GMs.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; I'd say the GM should talk with the player, but since its his game, and it's such an off-the-wall situation created by this player wanting to play an admittedly broken PrC and grudgingly changing to a slightly-less-broken PrC, that you guys should work WITH HIM more, instead of trying to strong-arm him into continuing with stuff that is stressing him out.--fje</blockquote>

[QUOTE="HeapThaumaturgist, post: 2695590, member: 12332"] Yea. I start off with PHB ONLY for players, and add data little by little from there. I'm all the way up to allowing 3/4 of the feats in Complete Warrior and maybe 1/5 of the feats from C.Divine and C.Arcane. I've allowed in ONE prestige class in the last, what, 3-4 years? Which, oddly enough, was the Mighty Contender of Kord from Dragon Magazine ... which was in no way overpowered and which was very much a role-playing situation. I really liked that experience with PrCs. Folks dropping into PrCs at 5th level seems a little odd, as it is usually 6th to get in, many are 7 or 8. And any class where you have to sit down with the GM and say: "Okay, here's the XXX many things I can turn into ... when I do this, you have to do this ... and when I do this, you'll have to do this ... " That's pretty easy to chalk up to BROKETACULAR. The GM should know what a PC is capable of, but shouldn't have to familiarize himself with a dozen alternate forms which can only be countered with specific tactics. If the GM spends all of his time catering to one broken PC, I think it's totally within his rights to review a decision and make changes. ESPECIALLY since this is a 4th-Party created class. It's not DMG, it's not WotC, it's not 3rd party publisher, it's fan-created. That puts it way way out in my stink-o-meter zone. Guess you got stuck coming to a board frequented by GMs. :) I'd say the GM should talk with the player, but since its his game, and it's such an off-the-wall situation created by this player wanting to play an admittedly broken PrC and grudgingly changing to a slightly-less-broken PrC, that you guys should work WITH HIM more, instead of trying to strong-arm him into continuing with stuff that is stressing him out. --fje [/QUOTE]

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