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<blockquote data-quote="JiffyPopTart" data-source="post: 2697693" data-attributes="member: 4881">The part about this discussion that I would like to add to is the &quot;social contract&quot;.Yes, as a player you do have some right or say in the story.&nbsp; You also DEFINATELY deserve a say in your chacter creation and the rules pertaining to your character.Your GM, though, also has the exact same rights.&nbsp; If your friends character is ruining his game and making it extremely difficult for him to design encounters and challenges, then you are effectively saying to him...&quot;Dude, thanks for devoting hours and hours a week towards our gaming fun, but I was wondering if you could devote twice that much so that our characters can be exactly how we want them.&quot;It is a HECK of a lot easier for you, as players, to tweak a character class to help out the GM than it is for the GM to do all the work himself.&nbsp; How about devoting the complaining time to instead actually TALKING to the GM, finding out what exactly is ruining his good time, and then plugging the holes necessary.Playing is a vacation you love.&nbsp; GMing is work that you love.DS</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JiffyPopTart, post: 2697693, member: 4881"] The part about this discussion that I would like to add to is the "social contract". Yes, as a player you do have some right or say in the story. You also DEFINATELY deserve a say in your chacter creation and the rules pertaining to your character. Your GM, though, also has the exact same rights. If your friends character is ruining his game and making it extremely difficult for him to design encounters and challenges, then you are effectively saying to him... "Dude, thanks for devoting hours and hours a week towards our gaming fun, but I was wondering if you could devote twice that much so that our characters can be exactly how we want them." It is a HECK of a lot easier for you, as players, to tweak a character class to help out the GM than it is for the GM to do all the work himself. How about devoting the complaining time to instead actually TALKING to the GM, finding out what exactly is ruining his good time, and then plugging the holes necessary. Playing is a vacation you love. GMing is work that you love. DS [/QUOTE]

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