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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Coredump" data-source="post: 2699374" data-attributes="member: 6939">Which means...you neve asked. Apparently, you have spent more time here 'complaining' than you have talking with him.**THIS** summer? You mean this guy has been playing for only 6 months? And your friend takes advantage of him, and you blame the DM??So, you don't know if or how much he looked at the classes. And the problem is, that with a whopping 6 months of experience, he may not even know what is or is not broken. Being that inexperienced, he could study those classes for 8 hours, and still not realize what it would mean for his game. I have been playing for 20 years, and I still come here to get advice of rule changes, just to see all of the repurcussions.The main point that *I* see, is that you *knew* the class was broken, your friend **knew** the class was broken. And he played it anyway. Your *friend* broke the game, not the DM. Yes, the DM may have been able to keep your friend from breaking the game, but it is directly your friends actions that broke it. Why not start a thread about "greedy gamers doing stupid things". Heck, you live *next door* to the DM, he could have asked, instead of 'assuming' it must be okay.You state that the DM was "too lazy to fix things", how not true, he did 'fix' what your friend 'broke', he fixed it twice, you are just here complaining that you don't like what he did to fix it.Now, I asked you this on the first page, but you have not answered.How would you feel if he did 'fix' it right away? If he said "no shifter classes. They may or may not be balanced, but I don't care, I am not taking the chance??" I am betting you two would have felt equally 'shafted', and likely been here "I hate lazy DM's that are too lazy to even try new things. He wouldn't allow the shifter class, and wouldn't even let us try it!"Now, you also 'blame' your DM for the power level. You say *you* wanted to keep it core only, keep it simple; apparently you tried to get him to play it that way.... but he just wouldn't listen.Well, did he *force* you to play high powered non-core classes? Did you want to play a wizard, and he say "NO!, you must play something more powerfu!" Or, did you and your friend, *knowing* he was inexperienced, and *knowing* these classes were too powerful, and *knowing* he would not be able to handle it, go ahead and play those powerful classes anyway..... and now you are here blaming the DM??!??!  YOU two knew the facts, you two had the experience, and you two made the choices.I would *love* to have your DM friend posting on this thread. I have more sympathy for him being taken advantage of, than for your friend playing a broken 3.0 class, and getting nerfed.</blockquote>

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