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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Patlin" data-source="post: 2699857" data-attributes="member: 17264">No, I'm serious.  The prestige class doesn't seem all that powerfull to me.  I may be making an error in concentrating too much on what it looks like at level 20 rather than looking at each individual level, but it seems to give up a lot more than it gets.If the problem is simply that it gets access to some abilities too early, maybe the prerequisites should be tweaked so that it can only be entered at a higher level.  Or, possibly, the spell the prestige class tries to mimic (shapechange) is simply way too powerfull to begin with.  I think there is a very strong argument for that, but shapechange seems to have the status of a sacred cow.I've played a cleric with shapechange as a domain spell, and even only once a day it is fantastically powerfull.  My point is simply that it's available even in core rules, without any prestige class, and available at a level not much higher than the levels being discussed.  So why the hate for the prestige class? Isn't it more of a concern that four core classes can get these abilities without even dedicating themselves to shapechanging above other things?</blockquote>