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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gort" data-source="post: 3753790" data-attributes="member: 11239">I think the point they're trying to get across with the name is that the character is more than just group buffs - warlord implies that the character can fight well alone, while bard... really doesn't.I hope the "Leader" role does see the end of the cleric... as a REQUIRED class of a party. Even the other divine caster, the druid, lacks the range of condition removal spells that the cleric has, and is significantly worse at healing. (partly due to not being able to swap-out for healing spells, and partly due to getting said spells later)I was very pleased when I saw that the beguiler could disarm traps, because it meant that you didn't always have to have a rogue in the party for that stuff, you could have a rogue OR a beguiler. Likewise it's nice that you can have a paladin, fighter or barbarian for up-front fighting and trading hits. And then there's a range of options for ranged striking. However, there really only was the cleric when you wanted a good healer.Hopefully 4e will change that.</blockquote>