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<blockquote data-quote="clark411" data-source="post: 1189801" data-attributes="member: 4768"><p>If the conditions I set forth in paragraphs 4 and 5 of my post are satisfied, I'm in the clear for believing such an encounter is designed solely to wipe out the mook horde.</p><p></p><p>If, however, the campaign conditions in paragraphs 5 and 6 are the established norm however, again, I'm in the clear with saying it's absolutely fine for the fireballs and firebrands to commence.</p><p></p><p>It seems that you really want to continue this debate when what I've posted is actually in agreement with the essence of what you're saying. If the campaign that this mook horde is based in is indeed full of evil wizards toting firebrand or fireball, then yea, I <strong>again</strong> state that it is indeed <strong>fine</strong> for them to be blatted. If however, this is an <strong>unprecedented anomaly</strong> that almost exactly <strong>coincides with the creation of the mook horde</strong> then I, or any player, is well within their rights to be concerned that their assumptions are correct.</p><p></p><p>Even if they aren't- the problem I've stated is equal parts the reality of what may be going on, and the player's perceptions of what's going on. If Scenario A, the deus ex machina slaughter, is going on... bad on all counts. If Scenario B, business as usual, is going on... no problem.</p><p></p><p>In the interests of this thread retaining some semblance of civil and logical discourse, I recommend the following: A) less quotes taken out of context without proper evaluation of the post as a whole... as arguing against phantom opinions is useless, and B) that there be equal parts less assumption on all sides. I won't assume, as I stopped assuming several posts ago in case you didn't notice, that the DM is automatically in the wrong for making this wizzie pop up, and I'll thank you for not assuming that my campaigns are full of evil wizards and that such is the case for every player, and that they all should be spanked on the toosh for possessing an opinion of core DND / experiences in DND that differ from yours.</p><p></p><p>Cheers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="clark411, post: 1189801, member: 4768"] If the conditions I set forth in paragraphs 4 and 5 of my post are satisfied, I'm in the clear for believing such an encounter is designed solely to wipe out the mook horde. If, however, the campaign conditions in paragraphs 5 and 6 are the established norm however, again, I'm in the clear with saying it's absolutely fine for the fireballs and firebrands to commence. It seems that you really want to continue this debate when what I've posted is actually in agreement with the essence of what you're saying. If the campaign that this mook horde is based in is indeed full of evil wizards toting firebrand or fireball, then yea, I [b]again[/b] state that it is indeed [b]fine[/b] for them to be blatted. If however, this is an [b]unprecedented anomaly[/b] that almost exactly [b]coincides with the creation of the mook horde[/b] then I, or any player, is well within their rights to be concerned that their assumptions are correct. Even if they aren't- the problem I've stated is equal parts the reality of what may be going on, and the player's perceptions of what's going on. If Scenario A, the deus ex machina slaughter, is going on... bad on all counts. If Scenario B, business as usual, is going on... no problem. In the interests of this thread retaining some semblance of civil and logical discourse, I recommend the following: A) less quotes taken out of context without proper evaluation of the post as a whole... as arguing against phantom opinions is useless, and B) that there be equal parts less assumption on all sides. I won't assume, as I stopped assuming several posts ago in case you didn't notice, that the DM is automatically in the wrong for making this wizzie pop up, and I'll thank you for not assuming that my campaigns are full of evil wizards and that such is the case for every player, and that they all should be spanked on the toosh for possessing an opinion of core DND / experiences in DND that differ from yours. Cheers. [/QUOTE]
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