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<blockquote data-quote="Ycore Rixle" data-source="post: 5298719" data-attributes="member: 675">Hey Stephen. Thanks for jumping in and elaborating. As I mentioned above, I agree with your main point: the group does matter. A lot. Often, the voice of the group can shout down the voice of the game.It's just that one idea, viz. system can only affect roleplaying in very limited ways, that I disagree with. To me, the &quot;system does not much affect roleplaying&quot; idea and the &quot;group is more important than system&quot; idea are not identical. The group can have a larger effect than the system in a significant number of cases, and still that does not mean that system's effect on roleplay is very limited.Perhaps I am taking a broader view of roleplay than you are. To me, the subject of the roleplay - sci-fi, fantasy combat, shojo heartbreak, etc. - is an example of how the system affects roleplay. The very topic and genre of play is part of roleplay, and different systems push play to different topics and genres. D&amp;D, for example, pushes play toward combat with fantasy monsters, while Forbidden Island pushes play toward escape from a sinking island. I'd say that's an example of system affecting roleplay right there: it affects roleplay so much that the very topic of the play itself is impacted significantly by the system. I'd go further than that in the &quot;system matters&quot; argument, but maybe stopping here is stopping in &quot;Yep we all agree on that&quot; land.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ycore Rixle, post: 5298719, member: 675"] Hey Stephen. Thanks for jumping in and elaborating. As I mentioned above, I agree with your main point: the group does matter. A lot. Often, the voice of the group can shout down the voice of the game. It's just that one idea, viz. system can only affect roleplaying in very limited ways, that I disagree with. To me, the "system does not much affect roleplaying" idea and the "group is more important than system" idea are not identical. The group can have a larger effect than the system in a significant number of cases, and still that does not mean that system's effect on roleplay is very limited. Perhaps I am taking a broader view of roleplay than you are. To me, the subject of the roleplay - sci-fi, fantasy combat, shojo heartbreak, etc. - is an example of how the system affects roleplay. The very topic and genre of play is part of roleplay, and different systems push play to different topics and genres. D&D, for example, pushes play toward combat with fantasy monsters, while Forbidden Island pushes play toward escape from a sinking island. I'd say that's an example of system affecting roleplay right there: it affects roleplay so much that the very topic of the play itself is impacted significantly by the system. I'd go further than that in the "system matters" argument, but maybe stopping here is stopping in "Yep we all agree on that" land. [/QUOTE]

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