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Message: <blockquote data-quote="drnuncheon" data-source="post: 379523" data-attributes="member: 96">Like I said before...it's not as effective as a single classed character if you try to treat it like a 20th level evoker.  If you instead use the wizard levels to boost your rogue abilities, you will be better than a 20th level rogue in almost every way and have spellcasting to boot.  You don't need nearly as much Climb when you have spider climb, feather fall, levitate, and fly.  Hide? You've got invisibility, regular, mass, and improved variety - and with the latter, every attack is a sneak attack.  You can passwall or dimension door rather than picking locks.  shadow walk. teleport. etherealness. limited freakin' wish.  And oh yeah, you can lay a 15d8 area smackdown with horrid wilting if need be.  Like I said, you might not be able to compete in spellcasting power with the 20th level wizards, but even without the extra skills & sneak attack of the Arcane Trickster, you're going to leave the nonmagical rogue in the dust 90% of the time.Don't look at it as losing 5 spellcasting levels, because nothing is going to look good compared to that.  Look at it as gaining 15 levels of spellcasting for your rogue, and you'll see how good it is.J</blockquote>