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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 6015302" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>[MENTION=87106]MetaVoid[/MENTION]</p><p></p><p>I don't think that anyone replied to this.</p><p></p><p>This is a bit of a tricky question, but I'll try to get it right. First off, I'm not convinced that the item trigger happens first and then the feat trigger happens second. That sounds more like wishful thinking. Do you have a rules source for that?</p><p></p><p>Assuming that this order does happen this way (and not simultaneously and not in the opposite order), they sometimes stack unless they are an effect. However, it is rare that using both of them will actually be beneficial.</p><p></p><p>Looking at most of the pact boons:</p><p></p><p>1) Darkspiral Aura: one of the few with a gain. You would get a +2 gain to the aura instead of +1.</p><p></p><p>2) Accursed Affinity: no gain. This is an immediate reaction for the trigger. It cannot occur on your turn. Even if an ally gave you a ranged basic with the rod, the next enemy is the next enemy, not the next two enemies.</p><p></p><p>3) Misty Step: no gain (I don't think). It is not two teleports. As per the free action interrupt clause, both free actions are handled like an immediate reaction kind of after the fact of the total action resolution because the trigger is not based on the free action happening. So, the free actions do not happen one after the other, but at the same time immediately after the action is resolved. There is no arrival at teleport location and then another trigger teleport. Not positive on this one though.</p><p></p><p>4) Dark One's Blessing: no gain. Temporary hit points do not stack.</p><p></p><p>5) Fate of the Void: a small gain. A single die roll is not two die rolls, so only one die roll. However, this effect stacks with itself for damage, so +2 to damage.</p><p></p><p>6) King Elidyr Pact Boon: no gain. One ally before the end of your next turn is one ally. If this was done on two foes, it would stack, but it is only done on one foe.</p><p></p><p>7) Zutwa Pact Boon: no gain. The bonus to Prime Shot is increased to +3 for the same duration. Increasing it to +3 when it already is +3 doesn't change it.</p><p></p><p>8) Other vestige pact boons from Dailies. I won't go into the details of each one, but some will stack and others will not depending on what they do and how they are written.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 6015302, member: 2011"] [MENTION=87106]MetaVoid[/MENTION] I don't think that anyone replied to this. This is a bit of a tricky question, but I'll try to get it right. First off, I'm not convinced that the item trigger happens first and then the feat trigger happens second. That sounds more like wishful thinking. Do you have a rules source for that? Assuming that this order does happen this way (and not simultaneously and not in the opposite order), they sometimes stack unless they are an effect. However, it is rare that using both of them will actually be beneficial. Looking at most of the pact boons: 1) Darkspiral Aura: one of the few with a gain. You would get a +2 gain to the aura instead of +1. 2) Accursed Affinity: no gain. This is an immediate reaction for the trigger. It cannot occur on your turn. Even if an ally gave you a ranged basic with the rod, the next enemy is the next enemy, not the next two enemies. 3) Misty Step: no gain (I don't think). It is not two teleports. As per the free action interrupt clause, both free actions are handled like an immediate reaction kind of after the fact of the total action resolution because the trigger is not based on the free action happening. So, the free actions do not happen one after the other, but at the same time immediately after the action is resolved. There is no arrival at teleport location and then another trigger teleport. Not positive on this one though. 4) Dark One's Blessing: no gain. Temporary hit points do not stack. 5) Fate of the Void: a small gain. A single die roll is not two die rolls, so only one die roll. However, this effect stacks with itself for damage, so +2 to damage. 6) King Elidyr Pact Boon: no gain. One ally before the end of your next turn is one ally. If this was done on two foes, it would stack, but it is only done on one foe. 7) Zutwa Pact Boon: no gain. The bonus to Prime Shot is increased to +3 for the same duration. Increasing it to +3 when it already is +3 doesn't change it. 8) Other vestige pact boons from Dailies. I won't go into the details of each one, but some will stack and others will not depending on what they do and how they are written. [/QUOTE]
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