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<blockquote data-quote="morikahn" data-source="post: 6906365" data-attributes="member: 6705615"><p>I've tried to get some clarification on this issue with the Ready action on reddit and twitter with no such luck. Responses haven't been what I was looking for.</p><p></p><p>I understand that Ready actions can only be used in combat, so for the sake of this discussion, we'll just assume all examples are in the middle of a combat situation; many turns have already passed by so initiative and surprise are not an issue.</p><p></p><p>The rules state the Ready action occurs after its trigger has finished, but can triggers for the Ready action specify the <strong>beginning </strong>of an action? Then when the <strong>beginning of an action</strong> finished and not the entire action itself... does the Ready action fire?</p><p></p><p>Examples:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If opponent <strong>starts </strong>to cast a spell I'll do ...</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If dragon <strong>starts </strong>to use its breath attack I'll do<em> ..</em>.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If opponent <strong>tries </strong>to run away i'll do<em> ..</em>.</li> </ul><p></p><p>If you answer 'yes' to the above, then this is possible:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">When a rogue tries to run for cover, an archer Readied to '<u>shoot him if he tries to move</u>' gets his shot off first before the rogue gets to cover.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">When a mage attempt to cast an <em>Invisibility </em>spell, a player Readied to '<u>cast <em>Magic Missile</em> on him if he attempts a spell</u>' gets to attack him before the <em>Invisibility </em>takes effect (<em>Magic Missile</em> spell requires a visible target).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">When a caster attempts to cast <em>Magic Missile</em> on a player that has used the Ready action to '<u>run through the door and out of line-of-sight if the mage starts casting a spell</u>" the player does just that, preventing the mage from targeting him.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">When a dragon starts to use its breath attack, a tightly packed group of goblins that have used Readied actions to "<u>run if the dragon tries to breath fire on us</u>" all run in different direction, making it impossible for the dragon place them all in with the AOE of its breath attack.</li> </ul><p></p><p>Now, if you answered 'no', then that means:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">When an archer uses a Readied action to '<u>shoot a rogue if he tries to move</u>', the Rogue can move behind nearby full cover and avoid being shot, thus wasting the archers use of the Readied action.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">When a player readies a '<u><em>Magic Missile</em> spell to attack an enemy spell caster if he attempts to use a spell'</u>, the enemy spell caster can use the <em>Invisibility </em>spell to avoid being targeted, thus wasting the players <em>Magic Missile</em> spell.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">When a player uses a Ready action to '<u>run out of sight if an enemy spell caster attempts a spell'</u>, he will not get to move until after the spell caster has finished that spell.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A dragon that readies a Breath Attack on a group of goblins '<u>if they try to run'</u> won't be able to target them all if they run in all different directions.</li> </ul><p></p><p>A lot of the issues that arise come from using the Ready action to avoid an attack, such as trying to move yourself out of range, out of line-of-sight, or out of the area of effect of a spell or spell-like ability</p><p></p><p>Attacks of Opportunity are reactions, same as the Ready action, and they trigger right when a character attempts to move out of melee range of an opponent, so there is precedent that reactions can fire in the middle of an opponents action.</p><p></p><p>I'm looking for what would be the most legal ruling, such as what I could expect to see at a convention game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="morikahn, post: 6906365, member: 6705615"] I've tried to get some clarification on this issue with the Ready action on reddit and twitter with no such luck. Responses haven't been what I was looking for. I understand that Ready actions can only be used in combat, so for the sake of this discussion, we'll just assume all examples are in the middle of a combat situation; many turns have already passed by so initiative and surprise are not an issue. The rules state the Ready action occurs after its trigger has finished, but can triggers for the Ready action specify the [B]beginning [/B]of an action? Then when the [B]beginning of an action[/B] finished and not the entire action itself... does the Ready action fire? Examples: [LIST] [*]If opponent [B]starts [/B]to cast a spell I'll do ... [*]If dragon [B]starts [/B]to use its breath attack I'll do[I] ..[/I]. [*]If opponent [B]tries [/B]to run away i'll do[I] ..[/I]. [/LIST] If you answer 'yes' to the above, then this is possible: [LIST] [*]When a rogue tries to run for cover, an archer Readied to '[U]shoot him if he tries to move[/U]' gets his shot off first before the rogue gets to cover. [*]When a mage attempt to cast an [I]Invisibility [/I]spell, a player Readied to '[U]cast [I]Magic Missile[/I] on him if he attempts a spell[/U]' gets to attack him before the [I]Invisibility [/I]takes effect ([I]Magic Missile[/I] spell requires a visible target). [*]When a caster attempts to cast [I]Magic Missile[/I] on a player that has used the Ready action to '[U]run through the door and out of line-of-sight if the mage starts casting a spell[/U]" the player does just that, preventing the mage from targeting him. [*]When a dragon starts to use its breath attack, a tightly packed group of goblins that have used Readied actions to "[U]run if the dragon tries to breath fire on us[/U]" all run in different direction, making it impossible for the dragon place them all in with the AOE of its breath attack. [/LIST] Now, if you answered 'no', then that means: [LIST] [*]When an archer uses a Readied action to '[U]shoot a rogue if he tries to move[/U]', the Rogue can move behind nearby full cover and avoid being shot, thus wasting the archers use of the Readied action. [*]When a player readies a '[U][I]Magic Missile[/I] spell to attack an enemy spell caster if he attempts to use a spell'[/U], the enemy spell caster can use the [I]Invisibility [/I]spell to avoid being targeted, thus wasting the players [I]Magic Missile[/I] spell. [*]When a player uses a Ready action to '[U]run out of sight if an enemy spell caster attempts a spell'[/U], he will not get to move until after the spell caster has finished that spell. [*]A dragon that readies a Breath Attack on a group of goblins '[U]if they try to run'[/U] won't be able to target them all if they run in all different directions. [/LIST] A lot of the issues that arise come from using the Ready action to avoid an attack, such as trying to move yourself out of range, out of line-of-sight, or out of the area of effect of a spell or spell-like ability Attacks of Opportunity are reactions, same as the Ready action, and they trigger right when a character attempts to move out of melee range of an opponent, so there is precedent that reactions can fire in the middle of an opponents action. I'm looking for what would be the most legal ruling, such as what I could expect to see at a convention game. [/QUOTE]
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