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<blockquote data-quote="Arial Black" data-source="post: 6911047" data-attributes="member: 6799649"><p>That is not the case. The reaction to a trigger cannot come before that trigger. This is true not only for 5E but in the wider universe, ignoring quantum physics. It has nothing to do with 'Actions In Combat', or 'turns'.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If your trigger is, 'when he shoots me, I shoot him', then yes his shot goes first because the trigger is him shooting you. This is why no sane person would choose that trigger!</p><p></p><p>If your trigger is, 'when he draws his gun', then he draws his gun and that triggers your shot. You shoot him <em>after</em> he draws his gun but <em>before</em> he shoots you, because your trigger had nothing to do with him shooting you.</p><p></p><p>If your trigger is, 'if he goes for his gun', then the DM describes exactly what he does. If you perceive what he actually does as 'going for his gun' (skill contest may be required) then you can choose to execute your Readied action. Again, no part of the trigger involved him actually shooting you, therefore you don't have to wait for <em>an action subsequent</em> to your trigger is resolved! Only for the trigger itself to resolve, and you make damn sure that you don't choose his actual attack as your trigger!</p><p></p><p>There is nothing in the rules for the Ready action that require the trigger to be an Action In Combat! It can be any perceivable 'act', i.e. anything that happens.</p><p></p><p>It is perfectly permissible to define your trigger as 'if he starts casting a spell', because 'casting a spell' is 'the VSM components', <strong>not</strong> 'the spell effect beginning'.</p><p></p><p>The trigger is the VSM components. By rule, your Readied action resolves <em>after</em> the trigger but <em>before</em> anything else. So the VSM components complete, <em>then</em> your reaction/Readied action resolves, <em>then</em> the spell effect begins, if it still can.</p><p></p><p>Your Readied action hasn't interrupted the trigger (the VSM components) at all! But your Readied Action still resolves <em>before</em> the spell duration begins because the spell <em>effect</em> was never the trigger!</p><p></p><p>Do you get it yet?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arial Black, post: 6911047, member: 6799649"] That is not the case. The reaction to a trigger cannot come before that trigger. This is true not only for 5E but in the wider universe, ignoring quantum physics. It has nothing to do with 'Actions In Combat', or 'turns'. If your trigger is, 'when he shoots me, I shoot him', then yes his shot goes first because the trigger is him shooting you. This is why no sane person would choose that trigger! If your trigger is, 'when he draws his gun', then he draws his gun and that triggers your shot. You shoot him [i]after[/i] he draws his gun but [i]before[/i] he shoots you, because your trigger had nothing to do with him shooting you. If your trigger is, 'if he goes for his gun', then the DM describes exactly what he does. If you perceive what he actually does as 'going for his gun' (skill contest may be required) then you can choose to execute your Readied action. Again, no part of the trigger involved him actually shooting you, therefore you don't have to wait for [I]an action subsequent[/I] to your trigger is resolved! Only for the trigger itself to resolve, and you make damn sure that you don't choose his actual attack as your trigger! There is nothing in the rules for the Ready action that require the trigger to be an Action In Combat! It can be any perceivable 'act', i.e. anything that happens. It is perfectly permissible to define your trigger as 'if he starts casting a spell', because 'casting a spell' is 'the VSM components', [B]not[/B] 'the spell effect beginning'. The trigger is the VSM components. By rule, your Readied action resolves [I]after[/I] the trigger but [I]before[/I] anything else. So the VSM components complete, [I]then[/I] your reaction/Readied action resolves, [I]then[/I] the spell effect begins, if it still can. Your Readied action hasn't interrupted the trigger (the VSM components) at all! But your Readied Action still resolves [I]before[/I] the spell duration begins because the spell [i]effect[/i] was never the trigger! Do you get it yet? [/QUOTE]
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