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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Arial Black" data-source="post: 6911703" data-attributes="member: 6799649">That would be nice, but neither the game nor real life is so convenient. If the universe conspired to make these things so clear then there would be no police shootings except where everyone agreed that he was definitely, without doubt, 'going for his gun'.Okay. PHB p203, under the overall title, 'Casting A Spell', the subsection entitled, 'Components' says: "A spell's components are the physical requirements you must meet in order to cast it.....If you can't (or, for whatever reason, don't) provide one or more of a spell's components, you are unable to cast the spell."In other words, the VSM components are the 'cause', and the spell effect is the 'effect'. Cause must come before effect. The VSM components must be begun and completed/ended before the spell effect/duration begins.This means that 'casting a spell' is a perceivably separate thing to the 'spell effect'. We know that saying the magic words, waving a hand around and retrieving bat poop must be started and completed, and during that process the spell itself cannot have even begun, because at any time before the casting process is complete then the VSM components have not (yet) been provided.And that means that you can perceive someone in the process of providing those VSM components in the form of mystic words and gestures, and therefore this process is a valid perceivable trigger for either counterspell or a Readied action, quite separately from the spell effect itself.There is absolutely no requirement for the Readier to perceive the VSM components underway and force him to wait not only until the VSM components have been completed but also until a completely different perceivable trigger (the spell effect itself) begins. Rubbish! So that's where you've gone wrong. You want a quote?PHB p193, the Ready Action: "Sometimes you want to get the jump on a foe or wait for a particular circumstance before you act....First, you decide what perceivable circumstance will trigger your reaction. Then, you choose what action you will take in response to that trigger, or you choose to move up to your speed in response to it."Although your response to the trigger may be an Action In Combat, it doesn't have to be. It could be a move, or it could be something that doesn't require an Action In Combat, like 'say a code phrase' or 'pull the lever'.More importantly for this discussion than what the response can be is what the trigger can be. The trigger can be any perceivable circumstance! Perceivable to the Readier, of course. Your assertion that the perceivable circumstance must be an Action In Combat is simply untrue. Your assertion that an Action In Combat may not be interrupted by a Readied action is simply untrue. An Action In Combat may be made up of a number of discrete, perceivable steps, and any one of those steps is a valid perceivable circumstance that you can use as the trigger; the 'trigger' is not limited to being a complete Action In Combat from start to finish.You ask for quotes and I've provided them. If you still assert that it is impossible to use a perceivable trigger unless you wait until the whole Action In Combat is complete, quote it. The Ready action itself just requires that the trigger finishes, not an entire Action In Combat.We also have counterspell, which demonstrates that the casting process (VSM components) is perceivable as a separate entity to the spell effect that those components will cause if completed.So provide your quotes, and we will weigh any that you provide against those already provided, and we can judge which case stands up to scrutiny.But is is a perceivable circumstance, a valid trigger, as demonstrated by counterspell.PHB p203, as described above.Quote the rule which says that a readied action must wait until an entire Action In Combat is complete when it wasn't even the entire Action In Combat that was the trigger.</blockquote>

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