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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 1620327" data-attributes="member: 111">First, I think Permanency makes it fairly clear that only one spell is in effect ("This application of permanency can be dispelled only by a caster of higher level than you were when you cast the spell.").  If you could dispel the underlying spell, what would be the point of the Permanency - especially the note about it being able to be dispelled only by a caster of higher level?As far as "quick and cheap," the personal uses of Permanency are not cheap enough to be a fair trade off - at least that's what many folks think.Finally, what about "TENACIOUS MAGIC?"  I think it works with Permanency, because the spell itself talks about dispelling the "Permanency," not the underlying spell.  I think this means that the underlying spell cannot be dispelled, only the Permanency.  Allowing for the underlying spell to be dispellable does not seem to fit within the description of Permanency.For "TENACIOUS MAGIC " with Miracle the logic is a bit less strong.  What does it mean to "duplicate" a spell?  It looks to me like you get the spell effects from the spell, but it's Miracle that's actually cast.  In which case, you get a Tenacious Miracle - which means all your Miracles cannot be dispelled.  Since Miracle is a 9th level spell, this hardly seems unbalancing, especially for an Epic feat.</blockquote>