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<blockquote data-quote="Andor" data-source="post: 5870739" data-attributes="member: 1879"><p>The notion that Farmer Ted the level 1 Heroic Tier Fighter can sneer with impunity at a 3rd level Zero-tier King becasue he is the hero of destiny and he knows it is unacceptable to me.</p><p></p><p>It does not match my genre expectations, it does not suit me as a narrative device except perhaps as parody, it seems like it would make for a lousy game, and it's completely incomprehensible from a world building point of view. </p><p></p><p>Exalted is not a strawman argument. It is exactly this scenario. At moment of Exaltation the PCs become infused with supernatural power and are completely beyond the ability of non-exalted characters to deal with. The could sneer with impunity at a village elder. But not the Queen. She is Exalted of course, or she would have been assasinated long ago. So are the regional governers for that matter. And much of the Army. </p><p></p><p>Because otherwise the whole narrative breaks down. Ted would not go off to fight goblins and level up, he goes and pimpslaps the king off his throne while protected by his shiny aura of narrative immunity and his mighty +1 sword and takes over, and then sends out the army to do his bidding. Why the hell not?</p><p></p><p>Someone is probably going to say "But they don't know about tiers!" To which the response is "So when the King sends a squad of soldiers to confiscate Teds sword on a (possibly valid) pretext he justs hands it over? Or does he fight the Knights and either die (in which case King gets sword as it turns out) or will Ted discover that he can in fact go toe-to-toe with a dozen normal men and conquer them?" And where does that lead?</p><p></p><p>A King is a powerful man, or he is King in name only. That power can be direct (he's high level) or indirect (high level people do what he says.) Either way, if the King wants a +1 sword, he's going to get one. And if anyone is going to have Narrative Power it's going to be the King anyway. Arthur was the original hero of destiny. And he had a magic sword. Fancy that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Andor, post: 5870739, member: 1879"] The notion that Farmer Ted the level 1 Heroic Tier Fighter can sneer with impunity at a 3rd level Zero-tier King becasue he is the hero of destiny and he knows it is unacceptable to me. It does not match my genre expectations, it does not suit me as a narrative device except perhaps as parody, it seems like it would make for a lousy game, and it's completely incomprehensible from a world building point of view. Exalted is not a strawman argument. It is exactly this scenario. At moment of Exaltation the PCs become infused with supernatural power and are completely beyond the ability of non-exalted characters to deal with. The could sneer with impunity at a village elder. But not the Queen. She is Exalted of course, or she would have been assasinated long ago. So are the regional governers for that matter. And much of the Army. Because otherwise the whole narrative breaks down. Ted would not go off to fight goblins and level up, he goes and pimpslaps the king off his throne while protected by his shiny aura of narrative immunity and his mighty +1 sword and takes over, and then sends out the army to do his bidding. Why the hell not? Someone is probably going to say "But they don't know about tiers!" To which the response is "So when the King sends a squad of soldiers to confiscate Teds sword on a (possibly valid) pretext he justs hands it over? Or does he fight the Knights and either die (in which case King gets sword as it turns out) or will Ted discover that he can in fact go toe-to-toe with a dozen normal men and conquer them?" And where does that lead? A King is a powerful man, or he is King in name only. That power can be direct (he's high level) or indirect (high level people do what he says.) Either way, if the King wants a +1 sword, he's going to get one. And if anyone is going to have Narrative Power it's going to be the King anyway. Arthur was the original hero of destiny. And he had a magic sword. Fancy that. [/QUOTE]
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