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Message: <blockquote data-quote="OnlineDM" data-source="post: 5726323" data-attributes="member: 90804">I'm not an edition warrior, as I didn't even start playing D&D regularly until early 2010 and I started with 4e. I've since played some Pathfinder, too. Both games are fun.That said, from my after-the-fact understanding, Pathfinder had a massive open playtest period in which anyone who cared to try their rules had the opportunity to do so. Even if WotC had some outside playtesting for 4e during its development, I feel pretty confident in saying that those playtesters were covered under non-disclosure agreements. They got SOME outside feedback, but not WIDESPREAD outside feedback.Given what they've done with their miniatures skirmish game playtest, WotC is actively moving toward open playtesting. I think this is a smart business move, since people will have the chance to make their opinions heard (even if WotC doesn't necessarily make every change that people suggest).Don't get me wrong - I think WotC brought out a fantastic product with 4e. I've had a ton of fun playing it, and it's my favorite game. But it does sound like a much higher degree of community involvement in the process (Legends and Lore feedback, open playtesting) would have gone a long way toward fostering goodwill and a sense of ownership of the game among the community, some of whom decided that Pathfinder was better for them. If they're now adopting this open feedback model for the future direction of D&D, I applaud them. It's a big positive change from how they handled the 4e launch, from what I understand.</blockquote>

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