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<blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 5726680" data-attributes="member: 22424"><p>Paizo certainly (and obviously) took a lot from 3e, and they made changes of their own. They did <em>not</em> consciously take <em>anything</em> from 4e. If changes look the same, this is due to 'independent invention' - two groups having much the same ideas in isolation.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I get your point, but I disagree. The big change to skills in 4e is not the +5 bonus for Trained - it is the fact that <em>all</em> skills go up by 1 every 2 levels. Pathfinder does not adopt this, it merely clears up the mess of "half ranks" from 3.5e. (Plus, it's not "+3 for Trained" in Pathfinder - it's "+3 for Trained <em>in class skills</em>".)</p><p></p><p>The adjustments to ability scores are both a very minor change in 4e and they're certainly not one of the best things about the system!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Firstly, game rules cannot be protected under copyright, only the expression of those rules.</p><p></p><p>Secondly, the OGL is a licensing mechanism whereby WotC declared large amounts of material (basically, the core of the 3.0e, 3.5e and d20 Modern systems) to be 'open'. Anyone who wishes to can use that license and incorporate any or all of that material in their own works. Paizo are merely using that license. (And the license is written so that it can <em>never</em> be cancelled.)</p><p></p><p>The OGL is either the greatest thing that WotC ever did, or absolutely the worst thing they ever did, depending on your point of view.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Nope. The OGL makes what Paizo are doing nice and legal. Basically, all WotC could get would be an awful lot of bad publicity.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="delericho, post: 5726680, member: 22424"] Paizo certainly (and obviously) took a lot from 3e, and they made changes of their own. They did [i]not[/i] consciously take [i]anything[/i] from 4e. If changes look the same, this is due to 'independent invention' - two groups having much the same ideas in isolation. I get your point, but I disagree. The big change to skills in 4e is not the +5 bonus for Trained - it is the fact that [i]all[/i] skills go up by 1 every 2 levels. Pathfinder does not adopt this, it merely clears up the mess of "half ranks" from 3.5e. (Plus, it's not "+3 for Trained" in Pathfinder - it's "+3 for Trained [i]in class skills[/i]".) The adjustments to ability scores are both a very minor change in 4e and they're certainly not one of the best things about the system! Firstly, game rules cannot be protected under copyright, only the expression of those rules. Secondly, the OGL is a licensing mechanism whereby WotC declared large amounts of material (basically, the core of the 3.0e, 3.5e and d20 Modern systems) to be 'open'. Anyone who wishes to can use that license and incorporate any or all of that material in their own works. Paizo are merely using that license. (And the license is written so that it can [i]never[/i] be cancelled.) The OGL is either the greatest thing that WotC ever did, or absolutely the worst thing they ever did, depending on your point of view. Nope. The OGL makes what Paizo are doing nice and legal. Basically, all WotC could get would be an awful lot of bad publicity. [/QUOTE]
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