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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lum The Mad" data-source="post: 5755045" data-attributes="member: 63775">For me even the crunchiest crunch needs realism. Let's make a ridiculous example. Let's say we design a new rule for grapple.And we come up with the following:To start a grapple, you need to grab and hold your target. Starting a grapple requires a successful Charisma Check. If you have Item Creation feats you can attempt to start a grapple multiple times (depending on the number of Item Creation feats you have).What is wrong with this rule? You could play D&D 3rd Edition with this rule with no problems at all. Yet nobody will use it. Why is that? Because everytime grapple would come up, every fiber of your being would screem 'WTF is this? Charisma has nothing to do with Grapple! And Item Creation feats don't either!'Admittedly no real rule is that ridiculous. But some people seem to have a higher threshold of what they can tolerate while other people have a lower threshold. I am one with a lower threshold.</blockquote>