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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nemesis Destiny" data-source="post: 5756383" data-attributes="member: 98255">Maybe this is part of the problem with your 4e experiences? If this had happened in any game system, let alone an edition of D&D, you would probably feel the same way. And don't tell me "that would never happen/not possible, etc" because I've been in games run like that, and yes, they ARE terrible.And I would bet that you're just flat out wrong about this. I think this goes a ways to explaining the way you feel. Like many (including myself, at first), you made some gross assumptions and jumped to some conclusions... that just happen to be incorrect. An insult wrapped in a compliment is still insulting. This is a gross generalization. It may be true in your experience, like your above statements, but I assure you it is not universal. Can 4e be a metagame paradise? Sure it can. But so can any edition, if that's how you play.Likewise, I would be tempted to agree that 3.x was munchkin's paradise (and hell on earth to DM higher levels), because that was my experience, but lots of folks say that it isn't a problem for them, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and take their word for it.</blockquote>