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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5756676" data-attributes="member: 22779">The examples of Monk with Ex abilities comes from 3e where there isn't a delineation between power sources.  Is a monk a magic-using class in 3e?  The rules say no.  He has Ex abilities.  Well, that's not entirely true, some of his abilities are Su so, he's a bit of both.But, a Rogue dodging a lightning bolt is also an Ex ability.  As is the Rogue or Ranger vanishing in broad daylight without any cover from five feet away from you (Hide in Plain Sight is an Ex ability).  But, you are right.  The three levels of special ability are a kludgy fix on how you can have anti-magic effects without boning certain classes.  4e simply took Su and Ex abilities, wrapped them up together and gave them the title of Martial Power.  Again, it's not all that different from the fact that Rangers gain empathic psionic powers with animals as an Ex ability, and a Druid can drink a cyanide milkshake laced with ricin and smile.  All as non-magical abilities.The big difference between Ex and Su, at least in core 3.5 was that Ex abilities generally only had a personal effect and they were reactive.  Even a Troll's regeneration is considered non-magical despite the fact that it lets you reattach your severed head!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Which, like others here, makes me kind of wonder why Martial healing in 4e causes such consternation when it was virtually absent in criticisms of 3e.</blockquote>

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