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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LostSoul" data-source="post: 5757278" data-attributes="member: 386">I don't have a problem making sense of Vicious Mockery; my problem with it is that it doesn't matter if you have your PC spit a curse or not, you can just say "Vicious Mockery" and proceed on with the game.  I think it would be more interesting if what you said had some kind of effect on the resolution of your action, similar to the pre-3E Command spell.I think this makes an interesting case study for "realism."  Let's take a look at a different version of Vicious Mockery:Vicious MockeryArcane * blah blah blahRequirement: The target must be insulted by your mocking wordsAttack: Cha vs WillHit: The DM selects one of the following based on your insult:* Shamed, 1d6+Cha mod psychic damage and -2 to attack* Depressed, Cha mod psychic damage and the target is Dazed* Enraged, 1d6+Cha mod psychic damage and the target is Pulled 2 + your Cha modifier squares(Not that I think this is a good power, but as an example it'll work.)With this version, the DM can apply his or her own sense of what the expected reaction to such an insult would be.  What happens is as realistic as the DM is able to make it.  I always found it stupid that skeletons and zombies were able to carry out very complex commands - like fighting - and yet were somehow unintelligent or mindless.  Other people seem to have no problem with that.  Leave it up to the DM and you have a rule that's realistic to multiple different groups, even if what's realistic to those groups is at odds.</blockquote>

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