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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 5758543" data-attributes="member: 48965">Adjudication was not taken out of his hands, the rules had a different baseline but the DM was free to adjudicate just as much as he can in 4e. And the baseline is always that the rules stand unless the DM says otherwise... even in 4e.  The DM isn't the baseline though, the description of the power is. It still has restrictions and rules... but beause of the interactions of powers, effects and targets it is necessary (from a balance and consistency PoV) not to have a general rule or even a specific one of powers auto-targeting objects... again to avoid the "bag of rats" problem... where you can attack a chair and trigger the effects of powers.  You don't get it because in alot of people's opinion you're not arguing for DM empowerment because it was never missing, it's been there in every edition, supported by the text and up to each individual DM as far as how much, when , etc. to adjudicate things. All 4e did was, therough the way it was designed, force adjudication to perserve balance in certain instances where for previous editions a common sense rule sufficed for many DM's. The problem is only some people had this problem, other people had no problem rule zeroing in earlier editions and thus always had DM empowerment. The problem with many of your arguments, IMO, is you assume particular things that don't hold true for many if not the majority of players and DM's. This argument reminds me of the new edition argument where the answer is always did the new edition invalidate your old books... Only now you're arguing that the corebooks of previous editions in some way brainwashed or forced DM's not to adjudicate, houserule, etc. You're blaming a failing of people to read or apply what they read in the text as opposed to placing the blame on the people who ignored or didn't use their power to adjudicate. I never had this problem running 3.5 and I don't have it running PF or 4e.  So honestly, I'm really not getting it as far as where you're coming from.</blockquote>

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