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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tovec" data-source="post: 5759407" data-attributes="member: 95493">pemerton, I'm only replying to the bits where you quote me, if you want my thoughts on anything else please let me know as I find you quite wrong on a variety of points - many of which are being addressed by others.Or it intends to point out that if you need an example of a fighter, Hercules is one. Not, as I said, that all fighters can become Hercules in terms of power. They CAN expect to have armor proficiency, weapon proficiency and whatever other class abilities granted to fighters. They don't suddenly however gain god blood and the ability to reroute rivers.As Imaro previously pointed out here:Did he use spells? No, then he wasn't a wizard or a cleric.Did he pick locks, climb walls? No, then the strong-man wasn't a rogue.Was he able to fight and kill things with weapons? YES, therefore good ol' Herc was a fighter.Once again, it is saying, like Merlin, a wizard can perform spells. Not that he will have a grand, important place as the advisor to King Arthur. It is saying that these famous characters from history and legend are X class, not that all X class can perform the feats of that character.Saying "A chicken comes from an egg, therefore all eggs are chickens." is equally wrong.Others, besides Mallus also referenced other fighters, not just Hercules. So this is just totally flawed, good try though.Right, and desecration in both real life and in DnD magic would be "resurrecting the dead" not "making fun of the dead" at least to my knowledge. People may not like you spitting on the grave of the dead but they usually don't consider it to be as bad as carving open their bodies, for example.Right, but once again, you replied without reading what I was asking. I was saying how does the act of the spell weaken the caster's power anymore than it could weaken his alarm spell or sigil left behind (after he was dead). As far as I can recall I've never said that the spell shouldn't harm the skeleton - thought I don't think it should be harmed, for the record. I'm not talking about the damage done to the skeleton, I am talking about, as you suggested, damage done to the SPELL that animates the skeleton.I notice you didn't address my 2B or 3.I'm glad you would let them attempt to hurt the lingering magic of the dead creator, I'm saying that doing such is a pure and simple houserule. It is not supported by the rules, nor should it be in either of our arguments.</blockquote>

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