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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5765432" data-attributes="member: 22779">The problem with that is, you'll lose 20-30% of your customers if you enforce a particular view of realism as well.  Those who did go to 4e aren't going to be happy with a 3e style realism bar.  There's a reason they changed to 4e.So, you're kinda pooched either way.  You're going to lose that 30% no matter what you decide.I'm just rather happy that after 30 years of game development, things finally fell my way instead of yours.--------------CJ - those last two posts are just excellent.  Well said.  I've often said that my beef with 3e mechanics is that the mechanics dictate the action more often than not.  And, because, to borrow your terminology, they are Process Mechanics, they often make doing anything out of the box too difficult to try.For example, my 4e Warlord frequently uses bull rush (because of a magic item that allows him to push an extra square) in combat.  Because we tend to have prop filled encounter spaces, pushing someone two squares often has a fun result - such as pushing someone out the window.Now, for me to do this in 3e would be very difficult.  Bull Rush draws an AOO, which possibly does bad things to me depending on what exactly I'm bull rushing, then I have to make the opposed strength check, again, depending on what I'm pushing, my chances of success are rarely great - let's say 50%.  So, I get smacked for my efforts, have only about a 50% chance of success (at best) and, if I fail, fall back prone at the target's feet, drawing easy attacks from the target plus an additional AOO for standing up.That's just too high of a cost for pushing someone out the window.  Possibly drawing 2 AOO's, plus giving a +4 bonus to a full attack from the baddy means that if I fail, I'm going to get chewed severely.So, I can't recall ever seeing bull rush used in 3e.  It might have happened, I just can't off hand recall it.There's, for me, where the nod to realism becomes problematic.  It stifles creativity because, in order to be "realistic" anything that is non-standard carries too much chance of failure.  If it didn't, it would become a typical action.</blockquote>

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