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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 5765487" data-attributes="member: 2067">IMO, the 3e rules for most things outside of &quot;attack with your weapon&quot; were pretty unnecessarily complex. OAs are never any fun, IMO, period. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />I think this was largely a sort of &quot;hidden class feature&quot; of Fighters, since Improved Bull Rush and Improved Trip and the like were valuable combat feats. If you re-created an effective bull-rusher in 3e, it would have a lot more feats, and a lot fewer deliberate class features.IMO, I think a more...blatant...way to do this might be to include &quot;bull rush&quot; as a martial power that has a standard attack and effect, much as 4e does. I like this change. However, I think &quot;I push him out the window&quot; should be available to any character -- all they might have to do is use a Page 42-like reference to perform a stunt and do it. Martial characters do it more and better, since they have a consistent ability to use.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 5765487, member: 2067"] IMO, the 3e rules for most things outside of "attack with your weapon" were pretty unnecessarily complex. OAs are never any fun, IMO, period. ;) I think this was largely a sort of "hidden class feature" of Fighters, since Improved Bull Rush and Improved Trip and the like were valuable combat feats. If you re-created an effective bull-rusher in 3e, it would have a lot more feats, and a lot fewer deliberate class features. IMO, I think a more...blatant...way to do this might be to include "bull rush" as a martial power that has a standard attack and effect, much as 4e does. I like this change. However, I think "I push him out the window" should be available to any character -- all they might have to do is use a Page 42-like reference to perform a stunt and do it. Martial characters do it more and better, since they have a consistent ability to use. [/QUOTE]

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