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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5766204" data-attributes="member: 22779">Ahh, your players didn't care about the odds.&nbsp; Fair enough.On a practical level though?&nbsp; Given equal strengths, I've got a 50:50 chance of success.&nbsp; A bit better with a charge.&nbsp; 50:50 to move someone back 5 feet vs giving up 1 automatic AOO, 1 more AOO at +4 when I stand up and a full attack at +4?&nbsp; That's not good enough for me.&nbsp; It's simply not worth it.Yeah, it's easy enough to say, &quot;forget about the math!&quot; but, after the first failure and getting your ass handed to you, I'm thinking most players are pretty rational actors and are going to remember that bull rushing=really bad idea.&nbsp; But, then again, I've never seen anyone play who completely forgets the math.&nbsp; I've never played that way, nor could I to be honest.&nbsp; I KNOW what the math says.&nbsp; For me to be true to my character, who is also trained in combat, HE knows what the math says in this system.&nbsp; Bull rush=high chance of failure with very high penalties for failure vs my standard attack routine which equals moderate chance of failure with no penalties.&nbsp; Not a hard decision to make.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 5766204, member: 22779"] Ahh, your players didn't care about the odds. Fair enough. On a practical level though? Given equal strengths, I've got a 50:50 chance of success. A bit better with a charge. 50:50 to move someone back 5 feet vs giving up 1 automatic AOO, 1 more AOO at +4 when I stand up and a full attack at +4? That's not good enough for me. It's simply not worth it. Yeah, it's easy enough to say, "forget about the math!" but, after the first failure and getting your ass handed to you, I'm thinking most players are pretty rational actors and are going to remember that bull rushing=really bad idea. But, then again, I've never seen anyone play who completely forgets the math. I've never played that way, nor could I to be honest. I KNOW what the math says. For me to be true to my character, who is also trained in combat, HE knows what the math says in this system. Bull rush=high chance of failure with very high penalties for failure vs my standard attack routine which equals moderate chance of failure with no penalties. Not a hard decision to make. [/QUOTE]

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