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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5766445" data-attributes="member: 22779">KM, the problem is though, the more random chances you add into the process (the more "realism points" I guess you could call it) the greater the chance of failure.  Process based Simulation needs to make those kinds of calls doesn't it?  You can't abstract it all to a single die roll because now you're no longer doing process based Sim.  I have nothing against simulation inherently, but, I find that process based Sim falls down when in actual play because the odds start stacking up against you so quickly.  Because the goal is believability, the cost/benefit isn't grounded in "What will make people want to do this and use this in the game" but in "How will this better simulate the action in the fictional space?"  And, when you start injecting realism like that, of course game play takes a back seat.  It has to.  Anything that is covered by the process becomes the default because it's the most reasonable/believable series of actions.  Anything that falls outside that default by definition has to have less chance of success.  Unfortunately, that includes things that might be interesting, but really aren't as effective as the default actions.So, you wind up with things like Bull Rush where, from a process Sim viewpoint, makes perfect sense.  As Tovec points out, what should be the chance of success?  How good should it be?  My answer to that is not going to make process Sim players happy.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />My response is, it should work as often as would make it more interesting to use in the game and it should be as effective as the narrative warrants.   The bad guy gets tossed off the roof more often than he doesn't because that would result in more interesting play (for me).  If the bad guy doesn't get tossed off the roof very often, and the costs for trying are too onerous, then a rational player simply won't bother trying it at all.</blockquote>

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