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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tovec" data-source="post: 5768059" data-attributes="member: 95493">Well I'll be damned. I'm genuinely surprised it was found in the 4e PHB. On this, and this alone, I will relent. Yes, I didn't go looking. I avoid things that annoy me - strangely this conversation doesn't seem to apply.Also my comment about rule, I mean, page 42 was that it is as good and valid as rule 0.Yes, but as per MY read through and the reviews of others: the game was built with a specific design goal. That goal was to make all powers and classes relatively balanced compared to each other of the same level. This means that while some classes will be better at doing things, or will have different (often utility) powers, that many of their combat abilities are jarringly similar. It is something that illustrates my later problem, when I replied to Crazy Jerome, that both in 3e and 4e if you have an ability that pushes someone back you want to use it over and over and it becomes less cool and less special. It becomes something that you use "just because" instead of something you use for flavour or for tactical reasons.I notice you didn't really respond to any of my other concerns, Nemesis, why not?[MENTION=54877]Crazy Jerome[/MENTION] - YES I certainly agree to let bygones be bygones. I don't want to fight, all I want to do is set the record straight, as I'm sure many in this thread have wanted to. I am NOT trying to convince you or anyone that 4e is "wrong" but I do have valid concerns. If you'll look, you'll see that I often agreed with the basic points you were trying to make - especially about the wish of players to repeatedly use powers "just because" they have them.</blockquote>

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