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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LurkAway" data-source="post: 5733436" data-attributes="member: 6685059">Yes, that's true, which leads me to think that......it's not necessarily so delineated. Firstly, I think your generic example above is incomplete because "Monte-style" might mean not rolling a die at all.Also, the playstyle difference between in-bounds and out-of-bounds is a spectrum. Near one end, the player recites beautiful poetry but his average Cha/Int fighter gets zero bonus. At the other end, he gets an automatic success (or failure!?). Our rigged contest must fall somewhere in the middle.EDIT: In our working example, the player made 2 attempts at out-of-bounds roleplaying:1) he recited beautiful poetry (no poetry skill on his character sheet)2) if/when asked to justify how his average Int/Cha figher recites poetry, he suggested the dunce fighter was fey-touched or has the soul of an ancient poet (no rules supporting this)The DM can then choose how to roleplay (in ascending order of in-bounds to out-of-bounds)1) sorry, no modifier2) max +2 modifier3) equivalent to rolling a 20 against the DC, or one auto-success in a skill challenge4) automatic successSo I think our rigged contest is the product of out-of-bounds by the player and semi-out-of-bounds by the DM.Actually, theoretically, our DM might rule that the rigged contest automatically beats the player's poetry and declares a failure for the PC without ever rolling a die. That's also out-of-bounds roleplaying, so it's not always a good thing!</blockquote>

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