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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 5746016" data-attributes="member: 463">As I said way upthread, I definitely prefer a game that sets a default, then gives options to adjust, over generic games with no default.As to what the default should be in 5e, that is a very different question.&nbsp; I certainly prefer 4e's &quot;You get better at everything&quot; to 3e's &quot;You suck.&nbsp; You'll always suck.&nbsp; In fact, you'll get worse as you level up, because DCs will go up while your untrained skills stay static.&nbsp; We hate you, Regdar&quot;.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devil.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":devil:" title="Devil&nbsp; &nbsp; :devil:" data-shortname=":devil:" />&nbsp; But: I was perfectly happy with rolling a d20 under ability score to&nbsp; attribute checks in pre-3e D&amp;D.&nbsp; In this system the target number never changed or advanced.&nbsp; The assumption was that the PC didn't get better at most stuff as he levelled up, so it suits a grittier style.&nbsp; OTOH, unlike 3e it didn't mean Regdar sucked - if he had CHA 12 he always had a 60% chance to succeed on CHA checks.I'm fine with 4e.&nbsp; I'm fine with pre-3e 'roll under attribute'. I am not fine with 3e's task resolution system, IMO it needs a lot of work to be playable, and it tends to break completely after even a few levels as the spread of PC abilities becomes wider.&nbsp; YMMV, and probably does.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 5746016, member: 463"] As I said way upthread, I definitely prefer a game that sets a default, then gives options to adjust, over generic games with no default. As to what the default should be in 5e, that is a very different question. I certainly prefer 4e's "You get better at everything" to 3e's "You suck. You'll always suck. In fact, you'll get worse as you level up, because DCs will go up while your untrained skills stay static. We hate you, Regdar". :devil: [B]But[/B]: I was perfectly happy with rolling a d20 under ability score to attribute checks in pre-3e D&D. In this system the target number never changed or advanced. The assumption was that the PC didn't get better at most stuff as he levelled up, so it suits a grittier style. OTOH, unlike 3e it didn't mean Regdar sucked - if he had CHA 12 he always had a 60% chance to succeed on CHA checks. I'm fine with 4e. I'm fine with pre-3e 'roll under attribute'. I am not fine with 3e's task resolution system, IMO it needs a lot of work to be playable, and it tends to break completely after even a few levels as the spread of PC abilities becomes wider. YMMV, and probably does. [/QUOTE]

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