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<blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5503941" data-attributes="member: 78116"><p>In all fairness, the Slayer doesn't suck whatsoever and is actually a quiet overachiever for how simple it is - something the thief and scout do well also. The Knight has some issues because the defender aura is horrible against creatures with forced movement auras, or powers that ignore slow or don't provoke OAs (like Deathjump spiders death from above as an example). It's just some of the other sillyness that has come from this "cling to the past" goal, like racial penalties on races that are otherwise not that great anyway (The Vryloka get away with theirs as a minor annoyance by mid heroic, the Shade just plain sucks outright and then gets a -1 surge penalty to add insult to injury). </p><p></p><p>The endless debate over the Vampire and if the sunlight vulnerability and being destroyed is just flavor - or something the DM should deliberately mechanically exploit in combat gives me major 3.x flashbacks. It's just silly and not required - especially because they did clearly try to just quietly sweep it under the rug with the whole "heavy clothing and you're fine" sort of thing. But then you read the debate over this at the official forum and you realize that this just isn't going to work well.</p><p></p><p>Personally I don't mind essentials. What I do mind are great classes that were published long ago being utterly ignored, like the poor Artificer, Seeker and Runepriest. HoS doesn't annoy me because it's "essentials", it annoys me because many of the elements I've seen are poorly designed. Examples: The terrible ED previewed recently, the races with penalties, the lackluster paragon path, the daily power that will be mostly pointless in a vast number of situations, the Nethermancers pet that relies on charging that <em>lacks a melee basic attack</em> - or at least did when previewed - and such forth. It also annoys me because it adds tons of support to old classes that already have tons of it. We need more Wizard at-wills? Really? We totally do? We need more powers for Clerics? Really?</p><p></p><p>Personally I was looking forward to Arcane Power 2, because I was looking forward to more Artificer powers and a new build. That would have been great and well needed for a class that actually warranted that support. But it's okay, we had another book coming out adding yet more to Fighters/Wizards and everything else. Because it's not like they have been done to death already.</p><p></p><p>Really, that's why I am so negative about the book and essentials has little to do with it. It's not essentials fault those previous classes get ignored - that's just what Wizards chooses to publish. I am just not happy about paying for the same damn things for the same classes over and over again.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aegeri, post: 5503941, member: 78116"] In all fairness, the Slayer doesn't suck whatsoever and is actually a quiet overachiever for how simple it is - something the thief and scout do well also. The Knight has some issues because the defender aura is horrible against creatures with forced movement auras, or powers that ignore slow or don't provoke OAs (like Deathjump spiders death from above as an example). It's just some of the other sillyness that has come from this "cling to the past" goal, like racial penalties on races that are otherwise not that great anyway (The Vryloka get away with theirs as a minor annoyance by mid heroic, the Shade just plain sucks outright and then gets a -1 surge penalty to add insult to injury). The endless debate over the Vampire and if the sunlight vulnerability and being destroyed is just flavor - or something the DM should deliberately mechanically exploit in combat gives me major 3.x flashbacks. It's just silly and not required - especially because they did clearly try to just quietly sweep it under the rug with the whole "heavy clothing and you're fine" sort of thing. But then you read the debate over this at the official forum and you realize that this just isn't going to work well. Personally I don't mind essentials. What I do mind are great classes that were published long ago being utterly ignored, like the poor Artificer, Seeker and Runepriest. HoS doesn't annoy me because it's "essentials", it annoys me because many of the elements I've seen are poorly designed. Examples: The terrible ED previewed recently, the races with penalties, the lackluster paragon path, the daily power that will be mostly pointless in a vast number of situations, the Nethermancers pet that relies on charging that [I]lacks a melee basic attack[/I] - or at least did when previewed - and such forth. It also annoys me because it adds tons of support to old classes that already have tons of it. We need more Wizard at-wills? Really? We totally do? We need more powers for Clerics? Really? Personally I was looking forward to Arcane Power 2, because I was looking forward to more Artificer powers and a new build. That would have been great and well needed for a class that actually warranted that support. But it's okay, we had another book coming out adding yet more to Fighters/Wizards and everything else. Because it's not like they have been done to death already. Really, that's why I am so negative about the book and essentials has little to do with it. It's not essentials fault those previous classes get ignored - that's just what Wizards chooses to publish. I am just not happy about paying for the same damn things for the same classes over and over again. [/QUOTE]
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