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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 5503942" data-attributes="member: 996">I said &quot;Essentials really looks like an attempt to start rolling that back...&quot;&nbsp; I never said it did it one fell swoop.&nbsp; Not that an Essentials-only game is very far from the old status quo.Nod.&nbsp; Since actually just replacing the old Fighters and Rogues would go over even worse, the only way to /maybe/ slide the game back where it was before 4e would be to let the old martial classes slowly fall behind the power-inflation curve.&nbsp; Essentials classes are kinda pre-powergamed for you, so they do seem pretty butch at first glance.&nbsp; If future support tends toward the Essentials builds, and contains generous helpings of power inflation, then, yes, the fears of some of the Essentials-haters may come true.&nbsp; Not that having been 'right' the whole time will be any consolation at that point.&nbsp; If future support ignores the Essentials martial builds (leaving them simple), and the old martial builds ride the same tide of power inflation as everyone else, then Essentials will have been exhonerated.&nbsp; Also, too late to really matter.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Heh, I suppose it's an existencial thing, we won't /really/ be able to judge Essentials until it's dead (and by then, we'll be too busy arguing about 5e).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 5503942, member: 996"] I said "Essentials really looks like an attempt to start rolling that back..." I never said it did it one fell swoop. Not that an Essentials-only game is very far from the old status quo. Nod. Since actually just replacing the old Fighters and Rogues would go over even worse, the only way to /maybe/ slide the game back where it was before 4e would be to let the old martial classes slowly fall behind the power-inflation curve. Essentials classes are kinda pre-powergamed for you, so they do seem pretty butch at first glance. If future support tends toward the Essentials builds, and contains generous helpings of power inflation, then, yes, the fears of some of the Essentials-haters may come true. Not that having been 'right' the whole time will be any consolation at that point. If future support ignores the Essentials martial builds (leaving them simple), and the old martial builds ride the same tide of power inflation as everyone else, then Essentials will have been exhonerated. Also, too late to really matter. ;) Heh, I suppose it's an existencial thing, we won't /really/ be able to judge Essentials until it's dead (and by then, we'll be too busy arguing about 5e). [/QUOTE]

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