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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5504090" data-attributes="member: 78116">Good, they can go play those systems and it is okay if 4E is not for them. In terms of 4E, they aren't valid ideas whatsoever and haven't got a place at the table of a balanced system. Martial characters need to compete with everyone else and fairly - not get relegated to standing in the corner of encounters where they won't be a bother while the "big people" do the work. Noting that this isn't what the Slayer/Scout/Thief do at all - but they are mechanically keeping up with spellcasters. But they keep up with spellcasters because 4E has inherently limited spellcasters to a large extent over previous editions. They're also not entirely "I just swing my sword" - even the slayer has rules subtleties that to get the most effectiveness out of you have to understand. The point of the matter is that those people are still going to complain, because they still aren't winning every encounter all day like they used to. They won't tolerate 4E because fighters have powers and abilities matching casters (regardless of the essentials classes, nothing errata'ed the original PHB fighter out of the game whatsoever), why on earth do they get a pass on me tolerating their opinion? In the vast majority of these discussions, I have yet to meet one of these people who will not eventually go down to "Martial characters just shouldn't ever be equivalent to my wizard" as an argument. Well too bad, in 4E they are and you have to suck it up charlie. You're not a precious snowflake anymore.The other thing is that I don't go to Pathfinders forum and complain that martial characters are still entirely rubbish compared with spellcasters. I can play 4E and I'm happy with it - so why would I want to change what a lot of Pathfinder fans already clearly enjoy (and people DO enjoy having spellcasters much more powerful than other classes). These people can go play Pathfinder and leave what I enjoy alone - yet for some reason I don't get the same courtesy about what I enjoy.Again, it's pretty clear that many 4E fans are not happy with the current direction of the game - actually I'm not happy at all myself - so I don't think this "Clinging to the past" nonsense of bringing back design decisions from yesteryear is really working out that well. I really feel the poll results show that Wizards have been listening to the wrong people and the current direction is a real misfire.But we'll see soon enough.</blockquote>

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