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<blockquote data-quote="ProfessorCirno" data-source="post: 5506840" data-attributes="member: 65637">I should begin clarifying: I would love to see these things outside of the 4e forums <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/angel.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":angel:" title="Angel&nbsp; &nbsp; :angel:" data-shortname=":angel:" />.&nbsp; And 4e does have a good number of flaws!&nbsp; I'm rather unhappy with Skill Challenges myself, for example - good idea with a terrible implementation.&nbsp; I think the biggest issue is that it's trying too hard to be too mechanical.&nbsp; The Obsidian system works far, far better, and one of the big reasons is because it's made of rounds rather then failures.&nbsp; I'm still not 100% satisfied with it though; I think that, in the end, you're inevitably going to clash between the nWoD system of extended vs simple skill checks and the desire for all members of the group to contribute.Neither - the ones who morally support the illiterate book burning troll. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />In many ways I feel it was not Dannager and I that were trolled - it's the ones that gave the troll XP.See now we're getting downright zen in this ;p</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ProfessorCirno, post: 5506840, member: 65637"] I should begin clarifying: I would love to see these things outside of the 4e forums :angel:. And 4e does have a good number of flaws! I'm rather unhappy with Skill Challenges myself, for example - good idea with a terrible implementation. I think the biggest issue is that it's trying too hard to be too mechanical. The Obsidian system works far, far better, and one of the big reasons is because it's made of [I]rounds[/I] rather then [I]failures[/I]. I'm still not 100% satisfied with it though; I think that, in the end, you're inevitably going to clash between the nWoD system of extended vs simple skill checks and the desire for all members of the group to contribute. Neither - the ones who morally support the illiterate book burning troll. ;) In many ways I feel it was not Dannager and I that were trolled - it's the ones that gave the troll XP. See now we're getting downright zen in this ;p [/QUOTE]

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