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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 6275070" data-attributes="member: 2525">Yes I know.  I said that in the quote you quoted.  Which is a different argument than the argument ForeverSlayer is making.Yeah this I disagree with, and I think it's totally unsupported so far.  The spells don't much resemble any powers, the constraints on spells don't resemble powers, what they do only resembles powers which previous resembled spells themselves, none of this analogy seems to hold up under scrutiny.  And, no coincidentally, they DO resemble spells from prior editions.The Bard always had spells.  To claim this is some massive shift to a powers-like structure instead of a spells-based structure, you'd have to show the spells operate more similar to powers than to spells from prior editions, and you'd have to show classes that had no spells are now being given spells to replicate that.  You've done neither.Now if you can show me how a bunch of spells (not just a cherry-picked few) hold up in comparison to how "powers" were typically represented and worked more than they resemble spells from prior editions, I will certainly listen.  And if you can show me a host of classes that were previously spell-less are now being given spells, I am all ears.  But so far, it seems to be the sort of assertion being made just to trash a concept that you and ForeverSlayer don't like.  But, there's no meat on that bone other than you guys simply asserting it, so far.</blockquote>

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