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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 5783857" data-attributes="member: 710">I think any difference that escalates over levels are bad. That'sthe 3E problem with skills, BAB and Saves all over again. We want to use the d20, we have to take into account how well modifiers and DCs scale with them.Especially since we're soon talking about "Paragon" and "Epic" characters - these characters are not "realistic" anymore, they are beyond anything human mortals could conceivable achieve anyway.What I could see is having more than 3 states of skill traing (Untrained, Trained, Focused) and not having them all be expressed via pure skill modifiers.Maybe something like 5 states:Untrained (+), Class Training (+2), Advanced Training (+5), Focused Training (+5 and roll 2d20 and take highest), Exceptional Training (+5 and roll 3d20 and take highest). Class Training you get automatically with all class skills, and you can then pick additional class skills for advanced training and non-class skills for class training.</blockquote>